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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

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arthriticfingers · 23/03/2012 08:08

A little something for the weekend Wink

ThePinkPussycat · 23/03/2012 10:21

Some cousellors just do not understand abuse. They just don't. Also I suspect they are fair-minded people, which can throw them off, but you know, with abuse it really isn't six of one, half a dozen of the other.

foolonthehill · 23/03/2012 12:10

Love the Helen Reddy link...also thinking of "Ain't no way to treat a lady"...or was that someone else??

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foolonthehill · 23/03/2012 12:10
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arthriticfingers · 23/03/2012 12:18

And here she is

foolonthehill · 23/03/2012 12:38
Grin
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arthriticfingers · 23/03/2012 13:24

Great minds ... Grin

ParsleyTheLioness · 23/03/2012 15:25

Love those Helen Reddy songs...Pink is right, it really isn't six of one, half a dozen of the other in cases of abuse, and I hate it when people say, "There's always two sides". I do not mean I am perfect, I am not. But i want to have to cope with another person's 'normal' imperfections, not mind games. People should just STFU when they don't know what's gone on, it's not being fair-minded, its just insensitive. In fact I think I shall just say that to the next person, "You don't know what has gone on, so you're not in a position to comment".

foolonthehill · 23/03/2012 16:20

Quite...and I hate sounding "unreasonable" when trying to explain that whilst I am not perfect...his imperfections are so way way out there by comparison. It sounds bitter and twisted...which i don't think I am (well only occasionally, anyway!! Wink)

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ParsleyTheLioness · 23/03/2012 16:40

Yes fool its like we're the only ones who get it.Tis exhausting...the difference is I think, if I am out of order, or being unreasonable I CAN ADMIT IT. Maybe not on the day, but still...!

detachandtrustyourself · 23/03/2012 17:03

Hello everyone.

I love that we are getting some song links. Stirs something deep inside and feels good.

I love that helen Redder song "that ain't no way to treat a lady" didn't some very uncool man sing that as well later Blush. I had the tape. David soul, him from starsky and Hutch?

I'll just be making general comments, not details of daily life for now it makes me feel safer. Hope that's ok. i'm getting some rl help and reading on here and general me piping up with some stuff on here,(posting I mean) will support me. Thank You wonderful, kind and wise women.

I heard that Helen Reddy song for the first time in my life (I am woman,hear me roar) on a song thread on international women's day this year. So glad you linked it again on here (forgotten who, sorry and can't look now done preview thing.

It made me cry, and I hardly ever cry. (but sometimes something releases you to cry more for a while I find.) It's become my favourite (sp)song ever.

Lots of finally somebody understands moments on here. Just one e.g "sometimesit's not six of one ,half a dozen of the other" and "i'm not perfect...."

Sorry, to go on and on, I'm a bit of a chatterbox sometimes!

thebighouse · 23/03/2012 17:10

It's now been 12 weeks since I moved out.

I am totally fine, but XH is having a total breakdown. He is as mad as a box of frogs. I feel really bad about it. He just does not understand why I've left and is totally shell-shocked. I don't get any satisfaction out of him being like this. Mutual friends have said they keep expecting him to kill himself. I don't think that he ever realised what he was doing to me (I didn't realise it myself). There is no way he understands it now, either. He just think his bitch of a wife has abandoned him and he's falling to pieces.

It's hard not to feel responsible!! :(

ParsleyTheLioness · 23/03/2012 17:13

Stop that now bighouse. If you really were a bitch of a wife, he would be better off without you, no? Just because he doesn't/won't get it, doesn't make it your problem. Don't let him manipulate you any more.

detachandtrustyourself · 23/03/2012 17:24

Yes parsley, that is the difference. We normal, nice people can admit it when wrong. eventually

And, sadly,Sad, sometimes blame ourselves (or someone makes/helps us blame ourselves), when it's not our fault.Sad Angry (I don't do that so much now. Smile )

And sometimes things get so confusing and twisted we end up begging for forgiveness in a heap for something that was not our fault. Sad Angry Angry. (I NEVER do that now).SmileGrin

Sweepitundertherug · 23/03/2012 17:38

The big house, that is because he has lost control of you. Try and ignore it as best you can. It is very manipulative.

Now I have woken up to what my h is like, good god. I can really see him for what he is.

I cannot wait to go.

I will though as I need to gain some of his precious money.

10 grand will have gone in his bank account today. Bonus time. I will get my allowance, minus what he had to give me to tide me of till the end of last month.

He never went without anything. Steak for dinner, branded aftershave etc etc.

I am not violent, not do I agree with it. But I want to punch him. It's just a feeling btw and is just from frustration.

ParsleyTheLioness · 23/03/2012 17:38

Good detach...careful with the smileys, you will use up all the month's allowance in one go Grin

arthriticfingers · 23/03/2012 17:44

So, bighouse, I see that you have been round to your XH shouting insults through the letterbox. I presume that you have also been telling everyone that you are totally misunderstood and do not know how you came to this and getting them to take sides. Hmm
Or he would be again if you let him back. Leave him up his own backside - it's where he wants to be.
FWIW, FWH is also saying his life has come to an end. Well Biscuit to that - see it's not you I am the wicked witch of the East [evil laugh]

sunrise65 · 23/03/2012 21:06

evening everyone, hope you are all ok and safe and happy. Hi detach, glad that u r finding support here. I think that the anger stage of my grief for the ex might be kicking in. Still no word from him and not a penny in the band for his daughter either. Makes me so confused as when we were together he'd talk about what a knob his dad was for not paying for him or making any effort...and now look who's talkin! Can't wait til I can forget about and fully get over this loser. X

sunrise65 · 23/03/2012 21:11

*bank ! What makes me feel sick is how he is now the total opposite person to who I thought he was. I spend so much time thinking about him and everything that's happened but I know that he doesn't give a shit about me, he is prob out with his mates right now, enjoying his freedom. uch ! :(

Wrenner · 23/03/2012 21:14

Finally found this thread!!!

sunrise65 · 23/03/2012 21:17

bighouse agree with sweep and arthritic , its what he wants. Just another pathetic attempt at controlling u. Let him make people feel sorry for him. People like him usually love themselves too much to actually do anything. X

Wrenner · 23/03/2012 21:18

Naive post but learning/learnt this is what is going on with my relationship. Nice to know if not insane!!!! I want to learn more...

ThePinkPussycat · 23/03/2012 21:21

Welcome Wrenner - have you a thread somewhere, or do you want to rant here tell us a little more?

foolonthehill · 23/03/2012 21:22

Hi all,
welcome wrenner hope you find it helpful...took me 14 years to realise what was/is going on...so you are in company (good or otherwise!)

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sunrise65 · 23/03/2012 21:25

hi wrenner , sorry that you have had to come to this thread but its great that you are now making sense of things. Others on here are prob better than me at giving advice as u can see from above posts I'm still a bit wobbly myself. However, if u haven't already then ring and or go on women's aid site. X