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advice needed desperately regarding social services

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wannabestressfree · 28/09/2011 21:10

I am desperate for some advice and wondered if anyone could help......

I have three sons. 14,10 and 7. My oldest is aspergers and ADHD, self harms daily and has had two stays in mental hospitals. On sunday he attacked me with a knife in front of my middle son. He didn't hurt me but obviously it was very scarey. He then absconded {he does this a lot} and eventually the police took him to hospital.

A house officer phoned me in the morning and said he would be requiring inpatient treatment but he is medicating at the moment [he is on a childrens ward} and so they have reversed the decision and say he is fit to return home. He self harms daily and his special education school has told social services they are refusing to have him back. I work full time as a teacher.

I told social services I wouldn't have him in the house......... this is after years of asking for help and they have phoned today and said they will give me respite for a week by placing him in foster care in our old home town. I cannot believe they would do this as this is where he absconds too and drinks and was basically told 'tough'......... no other foster carers would take him due to his mental condition. The social worker insisted I tell my school they were dealing with us {head was super supportive} and said they would be looking at the other children. I am so upset as I just want some help.

He will stop taking his medication when he comes home, attack the other children and roams in and out of the house. We are all exhausted.

So advice please............ do I take him back tomorrow or allow him into foster care that I know is not the right place. I honestly feel like they are emotionally blackmailing me..................

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wannabestressfree · 30/03/2012 11:50

I really feel like the prophet of doom. On a positive note its my birthday today :}

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TittyBojangles · 30/03/2012 12:23

I have lurked on this thread since the start with nothing really useful to add. But happy birthday! You are having such a shit time, you and your family are often in my thoughts.

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wannabestressfree · 30/03/2012 12:56

It is but I am managing so far. I had two days off this week as I felt so low and poorly. I spent most of it glued to the phone mind you. Dealing with solicitors, hospital, Ds, Social services etc.....

I forgot to add Bill Yule contacted me yesterday to request a meeting on tue and they are coming to my house. Solicitor said to hear them out.......Then am off to see Ds wednesday................

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CiderwithBuda · 30/03/2012 13:26

Happy Birthday wannabe.

Fingers crossed that next year's birthday will see all of this behind you and your DS settled and happy and secure. That's my birthday wish for you.

cornsilksit1 · 30/03/2012 16:12

happy birthday Smile

seaofyou · 30/03/2012 18:41

You spent though 2 fab days sorting lots out for ds:)

try and treat yourself wannabe [win] and Biscuit

seaofyou · 30/03/2012 18:42
Wine
wannabestressfree · 31/03/2012 06:35

Can't sleep. Phoned DS last night and he was aggressive and difficult. Very unhappy to still be on one-to -one nursing and feels like his situation is hopeless. I really felt for him.....

Thank you all for the continued support and birthday wishes x

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cronsilksilt · 31/03/2012 09:59

poor ds - hopefully seeing you soon will cheer him up.
will you have someone with you when you meet with Bill Yule next week?

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wannabestressfree · 31/03/2012 23:15

That's a good idea Maryz I will do that. They are coming to my house, The manager of the local social services wanted to come but has a full diary so wanted the time changed. I am happy to meet them and just want to hear them out. I don't believe the people coming are to 'blame' the system is....

Am really looking forward to seeing him...........

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wannabestressfree · 01/04/2012 00:11

pmed you Maryz

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wannabestressfree · 02/04/2012 21:31

Have meeting with representatives of the Bill Yule tomorrow at 10.30. Am really nervous as not really sure whether I am just 'hearing them out' or challenging them? Are they just coming to smooth the way? Have they been sent so I back off?

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cronsilksilt · 02/04/2012 21:37

good luck Smile once you hear what they have to say you will have a better idea of what they want to achieve from the meeting.

WetAugust · 02/04/2012 21:56

Hi Wannabe
It's probably a 'damage limitation' visit to show that they have recognised your concerns about the care your DS received during his time in that Unit. They probably hope that you'll feel sufficiently sympathetic towards them that you won't pursue any action against them.

I would listen, say very little and definitely have someone with me to act as witness. You don't want them to misrepresent what you said at a later date should you or your DS decide to pursue a legal remedy.

Best wishes

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wannabestressfree · 02/04/2012 23:02

Ok thanks everyone will let you know how it goes.........
Am hoping Izzy will be along with her similar arse kicking comments :}

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seaofyou · 02/04/2012 23:50

do you have recorder on your mobile and ask to record what they want to discuss! Or dictiphone? Inform them to speak clearly into it! Or video it even better!
Have a wittness to write down everything they say otherwise. This happened with Ed Psych who wrote lies for tribunal, I threatened to report him to his professional body for lying in report! The actual assessment answers etc that ds 1:1 recorded was then used as evidence! This usual bossy Ed Psych, who threatend to stop x,y,z for ds at my home was very quiet in tribunal!
If they apologise...ask for it in writing why they are apologising and then ask what are they going to do for ds future to reduce limitation to damage they caused.
It is them that has asked for a meeting...you can say nothing as Wet says and listen.
They just want to smooth things over and ensure you don't sue...calling this meeting is a sign they are worried. You can refuse to comment 'i have nothing to say at this moment, I will get back to you once I have discussed it with my solicitor' etc
You can ask them why they are bringing certain things up?
You can also say that a well known newspaper is interested in your story!
If they ask what do you want from this you can say I have had no warning to what this meeting is for and will not comment until I have seeked legal (or better still Izzyizin's advice:))

HorribleDay · 03/04/2012 07:37

Echo the above - have a witness recording verbatim what is said or, better still, record it.

Maryz advice is brilliant - be very calm, and use words that get your point across without giving them any room to say 'Ms Wannabe was unable to hear our explanation so we were forced to terminate the meeting'.

Where are you up to with your solicitor re raising thes legally with them? At some point ( if you've not already done it) go back through this thread and write out notes on exactly what happened and why was said when by everyone involved, right from the start.

And good luck :)

izzyizin · 03/04/2012 07:51

Many apologies for my late return - dumb klutz here was sure she'd safely preserved this thread in 'watch' but having exhausted other possibilities, it occurred to her to look in 'hide' Blush.

So you're expecting a delegation from the BY? Mmm, I'm curious as to what mission they're on, especially as they'll have to make an early start to get to you by 10.30am... still, I guess it's something of a jolly awayday for them.

Two possibilities come to mind; the first being damage limitation they wish and the second being that they need to impart information about your ds's stay that could render them even more bang to legal rights if it was conveyed in writing.

Are Bindmans acting for you only insofar as you are ds's guardian? Have they begun firing missiles sending missives to SLaM re ds's misadventures while in their care or are they waiting on a legal aid cert?

Assuming that SLaM are as yet unaware of your intention to crucify them seek legal redress, I see no reason why you should enlighten them and I urge you resist any temptation to mention solicitors/legal action or anything that may burst their bubble.

As this isn't the time for you to go in all guns blazing, you're best advised to act on WetAugust & Maryz's advice to circumspectly hear them out and I would suggest that you act the part of 'utterly knackered and subdued' (no makeup required) convey the impression of being somewhat distracted and preoccupied (pass hand across brow and gaze into distance every 10 mins or so).

Explain your large notebook and painstaking notetaking as being essential to help you keep track as the events of the last few months have taken their toll of your thought processes. Take all the time you need to write down as much as possible of what they say - don't be afraid to ask them to speak more slowly if necessary or tell them to wait a minute while you write down what's been said verbatim.

If they perceive you as swallowing their well-rehearsed pre-agreed spiel whole, the chances are you'll get more out of them than by adopting a more confrontational approach.

The less you contribute to the proceedings, the better. Use phrases such as 'I will need to think about that in some depth before I can give an answer', 'that isn't something I've thought about', 'I'll have to get back to you on that' to deflect any questions that seem designed to put you on the spot or pin you down.

There'll be no percentage in querying the details of the escape or rehashing the minutiae of your ds's ill-fated stay in the BY as that is now more properly the remit of solicitors.

Because I suspect that they'll be intent on 'waffling', I reckon you'll be able to wrongfoot today's visitors by making it clear that you don't wish to cover old ground in other than in the most general terms - i.e. why your ds was placed in the BY and why the BY decided to send him so far away.

However, there are certain questions that I believe you should seek answers to this morning and these are:

  1. Prior to your ds being able to abscond, what clincial and emotional benefit did he derive from his stay in the BY?
  1. What has the been the outcome of his police interview in relation to the attempted abduction he was subjected to while he was at large?
  1. Following the decision to close the unit, why was it necessary to place your ds so far from your home? NB: you found and passed on details of a suitable placement in Orpington and there was, and are, surely others available in the South East.

4 Who made the decision, and why, to transport him in handcuffs to Birmingham?

  1. Taken overall, what effect do SLaM/BY's clinicians believe your ds's experience of the BY has had on his emotional welfare and wellbeing?

I don't believe the people coming are to 'blame' the system is....

When the people who are visiting today are seated in your home, take a good hard look at them, honey. They, and thousands like them, are the system and their lack of individual accountability and oftentimes their complacency, coupled with their reluctance to whistle-blow rock their comfortable boat sinecure, is what allows the system to, literally in some cases, get away with murder.

Make no mistake: individually and collectively, they are to blame for the failure of the system to make adequate provision for children such as your ds.

Maryz · 03/04/2012 08:32

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cronsilksilt · 03/04/2012 08:48

I'm in awe of izzy - wish I was that clever.
Good luck today wannabe.

CiderwithBuda · 03/04/2012 09:10

Izzy rocks. Other than hiding the thread of course! Grin

I have no advice to add to the excellent advice above but will be thinking of you and look forward to seeing how they justify what has happened.

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