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"But we took you to Stately Homes!" - Dysfunctional parents?

1002 replies

ItsGraceAgain · 01/11/2010 21:19

It's October 2010, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

OP posts:
BookcaseFullofBooks · 03/11/2010 22:44

Oh nemofish. What you went through was terrible and I believe you. It sounds from a previous post that you have a loving and supportive partner. You are safe and loved here and now.

More safe hugs on their way to you x

Quaqquao · 03/11/2010 23:14

Hi all. I posted very briefly on previous thread (namechanged) but haven't had time to post more, or even read much more, there is too much to read!

But I don't know where else to go. I really need some perspective on things. I feel as though I don't know who or what I am anymore :( It's all down to all these memories coming back and me questioning how bad it really was, am I overreacting... my sister has just sent me an abusive email tonight and I just feel like never speaking to her or any of my family ever again (apart from brother who is normal and lovely). Is this the right place to post, or should I go somewhere else.

I really need to sleep but can't because of this bloody email :(

nemofish I just read your post and hope you're feeling better. I hope you're able to let some anger out! I don't know what else to say, I really feel for you, and little you.

And everyone else, you are all amazing for having having survived so much crap and for coming here and sharing and supporting. I'm finding this so hard to do, almost like you can see me or something!! Maybe I'm really loosing it :(

therealsmithfield · 03/11/2010 23:18

nemo I believe You too. 100% Without reserve. Your mother is a shocking excuse for a mother, shame on her .
Concentrate all that anger and rage (for now)on getting yourself better.
Once you are stronger then why the hell not tell people? Why should you bury your pain to save them?
She should have protected you nemo not the other way around.

BookcaseFullofBooks · 03/11/2010 23:19

It sounds to me like you're in the right place Quaqquao. I can understand the questioning, I do that too.

therealsmithfield · 03/11/2010 23:24

Q hello, yes sounds like you've come to the right spot. The emails, phonecalls, smarting comments that keep you awake at night while they all sleep soundly.
Offload here if you need to.

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 07:16

Just checking to see if you're okay nemofish.

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 07:18

I hope you managed to get some sleep Q.

Quaqquao · 04/11/2010 08:47

Thank you bookcase, had to go feed dd back to sleep and managed to fall asleep myself then. Had dreams about it I think, but feel better now. I have read some of your posts and would just like to say that it makes me think about you.

trs Thank you, you have now really asked for it Wink

Also thinking about nemo. Really hope you are ok.

I will be back when I have more time, dd wants my attention :)

Mummiehunnie · 04/11/2010 09:17

hugs to you all xxx

bintofbohemia · 04/11/2010 09:54

nemo - I remember you from other posts, and am so sorry. I hope you're getting help.

Quaqquao - I'm another one who can relate to "The emails, phonecalls, smarting comments that keep you awake at night while they all sleep soundly."

I've recentlyy decided to drastically limit/end contact with my father and stepmother but it's been difficult recently with a car crash and some birthdays temporarily drawing them back in. Although every single time there's some sort of dig. DS1 was in a horrible car crash and we thought he had glass in his eyes. It was caused by a motorcyclist travelling 100mph on the wrong side of the road and I was initially so angry with him for choosing to cause this accident which could have blinded my son. DS was ok in the end, fortunately, but on speaking to my SM recently she said "I'm glad the motocyclist is ok and I don't think anyone should be looking for revenge." I was so Shock - she's taken a comment I made and twisted it to sound like I have some mental vendetta against the poor sod, which obviously I don't but that's what they've concocted and will be telling everyone.

This is just the latest example. THey've chosen to have nothing to do with us or our DSs but they like to tell everyone we've shut them out. What's happened is they've seen their arses because I'm in touch with my mother and they're punishing me by being all passive aggressive and telling everyone it's down to her.

It's all so subtle though, that's the thing. Re-reading what I've written here, it doesn't sound so bad. But it's the twisting of tiny details, the betrayal of confidences, anything you ever tell them gets twisted and used against you.

They said they'd visit at the weekend as there was no football on. Hmm Not heard hide nor hair since.

Hopefully we're moving in a month or so, that would help so much.

Without being too cheesy I just want to send lots of love to everyone on this thread struggling with all this crap. It's so unfair and none of us deserved it but hopefully we can move on and through it.

Quaqquao · 04/11/2010 10:09

Right, dd asleep!

I did as I said post a bit earlier, as bonita, but I namechanged. I mentioned that my (in the past abusive and negligent) parents were due to visit soon, for 2 weeks. I really didn't want them to as last visit was a disaster and because all these memories have been coming back and I'm only just starting to realize the extent of my mother's responsibility in the whole thing.

So, I finally wrote my mum an email saying something like this: Dear (mum) and (dad) (I used their names rather than "titles") It's not long until your planned visit. I wish I could say I was looking forward to it, however, unfortunately this is not the case.
I am going to be completely honest and tell you that it makes me sick thinking about it. It makes me sick thinking about you, and what you did to us during our childhood. It has become impossible to separate past from present. Every time I look at dd I'm reminded of things. How could you???
Then, I just explain how since mum said they'd booked the trip I've been feeling awful, become physically ill etc. I said I'm telling them because I want them to understand how their actions and non actions, how it's affected me to this day and I'm telling them because I want them to reconsider the trip. My mood is affecting dd and we all want her best etc.

Anyway, emails back and forth, my mum saying she's sorry (always have done, not changed anything) coming up with examples of how she thinks I'm wrong saying she didn't do anything to protect us, because once she did takes out separation from my dad, found a house, was due to move, was gazzumped. So then, of course, we couldn't move and as it was more than a year the separation was annulled and they remained married. Yes mum, I remember so well! You told us we were moving and we were ecstatic! Finally we were leaving the hell hole. Then,you told us that actually we're not going after all. She wants us to be grateful for that???

She also mentioned that she did seek help, oh yes she did the saint. What she's talking about it ONE session with a therapist that was due to my brother's problems at school (he had started acting violent and hit a girl in his class) so not actually something my mother did anyway but the school. Brother refused to go, dad refused as nothing was wrong with him, so mum and I went. I remember the therapist asking my mums role in this and my mum acting like a child that was being told off, me comforting mum and us leaving with nothing resolved. Mum then spent rest of the day (and life) saying how this therapist couldn't be qualified as she didn't know what she was talking about. What had my mum done, we were there because of my dad, the bad guy. And I comforted my mum, the poor little child, saying of course it's not your fault etc. I was about 16-17 I think at this point and had already left home.

She brought these 2 examples up as things she did to help us? Wow.

Phew. During this emailing asking them not to come my eldest sister called, I didn't pick up (it always drains me talking to her so have to remind myself not to pick up). She then emailed saying I hear you're not feeling too good, I'm here if you want to talk etc. She is so enmeshed with my mother she is the last person I want to talk to. I politely said thank you so much but I am to tired to talk about things now.
She then emailed back saying shes sad I don't want to talk to her but she respects it. Next day she calls me 7 times!!! Thank god phone on silent so I didn't see it until after. She also left a message almost whispering saying oh I know you said don't call but I am anyway you need to talk etc.

Next day middle sister sends sms (not heard from her for ages, too many problems of her own) saying things are not so good here either but hear you're not feeling great. hope you know you can call if you want to talk. I've been there myself so I know what you're going through etc.

Interestingly my mum also said she knew what I was going through as she has been there herself! (My gp were not abusive to her).

I sent an email to both sister thanking for support (not mentioning the 7 phone calls that is clearly not respecting me at all) but that parents have no cancelled and I'm feeling better. I said truth is I'm fine otherwise but just thoughts of parents coming was making me feel so bad.

Middle sister emails back saying she's happy I'm well, but was surprised we cancelled them as I have been asking for more involvement, support etc from mum and now they're coming I change my mind. I said I think I'm just realizing she'll never change.

Then, yesterday, I got a long email from my eldest sister and it was like being hit in the face :(

dd waking so have to post on that later! xx

WallowsInFlies · 04/11/2010 10:25

have read the thread and am marking a spot. haven't posted in a long time but it's good/sad to read familiar stories.

hope you get the chance to post the rest quag - sounds like you need to get it off your chest. better to process here than end up getting into it with your sister if, as she sounds, she is anything like mine. you've done well to resist answering phone etc but obviously she was determined to get to you, hence the email Sad

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 10:27

Well done for putting yourself first Q.
My mum would always come up with reasons why things were not so bad in our house so I try not to discuss it with her anymore. It will never get me anywhere, but I can't always stop myself. The need for answers is so strong.

javotte · 04/11/2010 10:42

Quaqquao my childhood was not nearly as bad as yours, but I know for sure that my parents (especially my mother) will never admit they did anything wrong, so I stopped trying to get explanations or apologies.

Nemo I'm so sorry for you. My mother couldn't stand when I was slim because I got more male attention than her, but this is so much worse! Is there anyone you can talk to about it?

Dandi · 04/11/2010 10:46

bookcase sounds like your mum lying to herself

interesting conversation with my Mum this am. DD (7) upset this morning as had been teased at school yesterday. We discussed how to deal with the teasing (ignoring, teliing x you didn't care etc), but she was still upset. Said when "someone mean to you, you lose your self-confidence" In the end I went in with her first thing and discussed with her teacher (who was lovely). However Mum phoned and her reaction was that dd 'reads too many books' and is 'too clever' - needs to be 'less sensitive'. Think I would have expected a bit less of the 'pull yourself together attitude'. brings bacl memories.

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 10:50

That's horrible Dandi.
at the risk of sounding as if it's all about me, that brings back memories for me too. My mum used to say exactly the same thing to me.
I think you're right that she tries to convince herself that things weren't that bad and doesn't want to believe the other stuff.

Dandi · 04/11/2010 10:59

bookcase it's horrible isn't it? i think I'm just now starting to realise that this isn't how a loving parent should respond. I will try to build up her confidence and teach how to deal with things, but I also want to support her. Don't think critism is the best way.

oh crap - seeing this psychologist has opened a huge can of worms that are now flying everywhere (if worms could fly!).

hope you're doing OK today

SoLonely · 04/11/2010 11:04

Hello, have been lurking on here for a while. I used to post on this thread a long time ago. I thought I was ok, but seem to have fallen into a black hole again recently Sad.

Dandi · 04/11/2010 11:08

soLonely welcome Smile

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 11:13

Dandi, after my last experience of therapy I vowed that I would never see another therapist - that didn't work out so well!
I'm trying to keep going for DD. She's my reason for existing and getting better.

Hi SoLonely. Sorry you're back in that hole.

bintofbohemia · 04/11/2010 11:29

Hi SoLonely. Hard not to fall back into it sometimes.

I've been having CBT recently, that's been quite helpful but you have to remember to actually apply what you've learnt which I struggle with sometimes.

droves · 04/11/2010 11:33

Hi , im reading through the posts , and have tears running down my face...NEMO , Q,BOOKCASE,DANDI ,BITOFBOHEMIA,JAVOTTE,WILLOWS,SMITHFIELD AND EVERYONE ELSE
i hope you have a good healing day today.

Have decided to emotionally divorce my parents.Although i went nc several years back , i have always felt pain because of it, because of the memories and the whats ifs.
As i child i so desperatly wanted just to be left alone ...i didnt even want love from them...IF one day i got ignored it was a good day..(how warped is that? Sad).

So from now on i will refer to my parents as ex-mother and ex-father .
As for my siblings , i cant make my mind up about them.
They had to live in the hell too , but still cling to ex-mother and i am demonised for cutting her out.
Its like stockholm syndrome ...on her command they jump and ask "how high ?".

Will refer to them as the ex-parents in RL too. They dont deserve to be my mother and father , they are not good enough for the priviledge.

Wish i could divorce them in rl , so they have no legal tie to me at all.

SoLonely · 04/11/2010 12:55

Thank you Dandi, Bookcase and bohemia. Am sorry if I keep disappearing. DS is only part time at school and I can only really post/read when I am alone. I stopped seeing my therapist a while ago. I always felt at the time she wasn't quite right and I don't really want to go back to her but at the same time I feel too exhausted to try and find somebody else.

SoLonely · 04/11/2010 13:00

Droves, I understand how you feel. I hate calling my parents mother and father. Those words seem to automatically conjure up images of loving, caring people who have cherished and nutured you. But mine did nothing of the sort. Calling them ex-parents is good. Wish there was a word though that really conveyed just how nasty, cruel and neglectful my parents were.

therealsmithfield · 04/11/2010 13:05

droves What a good idea- I like that ex mum and ex dad (although still limited contact with dad-working on feelings re him)
As to the sibling thing I understand completely what you are saying here. It is so hard because they are all part of a system that operates in a sick way. A way that's often detrimental to our own mental good health. I think I am coming to the conclusion I can not be involved with any part of that system myself.

bohemian I remember you hello Smile. Sad that your lot are still at it. It's not petty at all. It is gaslighting in an extreme form worsened by the fact it's your parents doing it. The people you are meant to trust, so you begin to lose hold over your own instincts.
I'm guessing if you have advocated forgiveness for the cyclist then SM would have said opposite. You cant win. That's the pint you're not supposed to.

solonely sorry you feel low. I guess it happens. Others have described the process of healing as coming in waves or a spiral. Sometimes you move up, then down to go further up, if that makes sense?
Has there been anything that's happened recently to trigger you? Often it can be the smallest thing?

Q Looking forward to the next instalment. Well done for setting out your boundaries. I think you should recieve a gold star for this. You have stood up for yourself in a very clear way and by doing this you are letting the small Q know she is safe, that you will stand up for her. That the adult Q is in charge now Smile

wallows hello hope you get time to post some more soon

bookcase hello Smile

nemo Am thinking of you, hope you are strong enough to let us know how you are soon. I have pm on here too, use it if you need to.xx

gettingagrip hello, nice to hear how you are doing

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