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"But we took you to Stately Homes!" - Dysfunctional parents?

1002 replies

ItsGraceAgain · 01/11/2010 21:19

It's October 2010, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

OP posts:
BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 21:03

That would be awful!

NinkyNonker · 04/11/2010 21:03

New to this thread (pointed in this direction from my 'Am I a weirdo' thread...)so I hope it is ok to say I can totally equate with your thoughts Bookcase. I imagine that everyone is annoyed with me for everything, so spend my life trying to be extra jolly and lovely so no-one has an excuse to hate me. (Apart from DH, I'm me with him.) I hate feeling so on edge, and I hate the awful thoughts I have running through my head most of the time. Every time DH goes out without me I am convinced that he is going to end up in a terrible accident, and if the monitor goes quite of an evening baby DD has stopped breathing. In my head it isn't a matter of if, but when.

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 21:06

Hi NN. All comments welcome, even those that are difficult to hear.

ItsGraceAgain · 04/11/2010 21:10

It would, Bookcase! It'd be terribly upsetting to feel that DD felt less than fully loved & supported by you ...

So there's another thing; one good quality you know you've got :) You love your daughter well.

How do you choose her clothes? Do you decide what to dress her in, or grab whatever's handy?

Hello, NN. That sounds like a very exhausting way to live!

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nemofish · 04/11/2010 21:14

I know Bookcase, it feels fraudulent, goods obtained by deception, I get it.

My stepfather gave me a lot of labels too. I found my Dad about 6 months ago - turned out he wasn't my Dad, but he accepted me as his 'daughter' anyway. His family know we are not related but have 'adopted' me. He died two weeks ago, two and a half weeks now it must be. I don't honestly know where I have been all that time Confused

Biology means fuck all, don't go looking for love and acceptance from people who are, sadly, arseholes, for their own reasons. You have dd and dh and that is your family, the one that counts.

I'll adopt you, Bookcase. You can be my sister Smile

nemofish · 04/11/2010 21:17

NinkyNonker me too. If we go on holiday, I am convinced we are going to be in a huge car smash. Any. Second. Now. Have to do deep breathing exercises. The diazepam perscription helps. (for holidays only though!)

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 21:28

I see where you're going with this Grace, thank you. Usually, I choose an outfit for her. Sometimes she stays in her babygro if we're not going out and it's clean.

Thank you nemo or sis. I hope I haven't left you feeling bad with my post.

ItsGraceAgain · 04/11/2010 21:40

Thank you :) :)
Now you're a lovely, loving mum who knows how to keep a girl looking pretty, feeling comfy and clean. And a good writer. You don't sound too bad ... Anything else?

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Quaqquao · 04/11/2010 21:51

lovely bookcase :) I am certainly not thinking anything bad about you, all it made me think was poor girl, wish I could do something for her! You are so low and have so much to deal with and yet you take the time to comment on other peoples post and offering advice. You seem like a very caring, empathetic person, to add to all the nice things Grace just said. How old is your dd?

Grace Good that your brother has a sense of humour! Wink

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 21:51

You're very kind Grace, thank you x

therealsmithfield · 04/11/2010 21:53

bookcase No bad thoughts about you-at all-promise, just wish I could be of more use.

nemo will you adopt me as a sister two? I can see exactly why your dh would be smitten Smile

solonely You might be feeling low with xmas approaching? I dont think your sisters deserve to have you in their lives. Look in new places for what you are missing or never had from them maybe?

grace your tops Smile

nemofish · 04/11/2010 22:01

We shall be triplets, trs! Or quads with Grace included...

Don't worry Bookcase, I miss him lots, but that's okay. He was appalled that my mother called me 'mentally abnormal' etc. He was also a bit scared of my mum (still! over 30 years since he last saw her!) which was quite validating and telling. I can't help thinking how he would think 'you go, girls!' to everyone on this thread.

droves · 04/11/2010 22:02

bookcase ...i love seeing babies in their little babygrows . All lovely and cosy ...and babylike ! Grin .

Your a good mum . (hugs)

BookcaseFullofBooks · 04/11/2010 22:16

Thank you everyone. You're all amazing people.
Q, DD is 3 months tomorrow. I'm going to put her in a lovely dress I bought before she was born. Couldn't resist it.
droves, I loves babygros too, especially after bath time. She smells wonderful.

Hugs to everyone x

Quaqquao · 04/11/2010 23:10

Awww 3 months.. mine is nearly one and it has gone way too fast, although I wasn't sure how I would survive at some point and was really struggling to enjoy it. It is so hard the first months (3, 6 whatever), so go easy on yourself.

swallowedAfly · 05/11/2010 11:42

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SoLonely · 05/11/2010 14:08

swallowed, yes, my DC's are also dressed in whatever is handy!

I'm glad you wrote a positive post. It's good to be reminded sometimes of the conscious way in which we are trying to ensure our DC's have a very different childhood to our own. It makes me feel good to realise I have broken the cycle of abuse and am stopping the toxic rubbish being passed onto another generation. Thank you Smile

Am feeling more positive today. The fog seems to have lifted from my brain and I have some clarity again.

droves · 05/11/2010 20:55

Smile ...good point Solonely ...stopping the cycle.
Mabey we should make a point of posting something positive about our dc .I know when my kids do something that makes me smile , its like reasurance im a better parent than what i had.

Smile

I hate the fact i get depressed about my ex-parents , and my former life. . .my children do drag me away from the bad memories .
For example .....
The twins had a school disco for halloween/bonfire night...they got dressed up in little costumes . Was just lovely taking them to school today ...chattering about the party .

therealsmithfield · 05/11/2010 21:20

Took dc's to a local bonfire night tonight. It was lovely seeing them interact confidently with the other children. Having people come up and say hello to me and dh was reassuring.
I have worked hard ro try and make a life here and I really should give myself some kudos because despite all my social ineptitude I havent done too bad a job Smile,
But..,
I wouldnt have gone tonight or done any of it if it wasnt for my two beautiful dc's.
So {raises a glass of mulled wine] here's to breaking the cycle.

whose going next? Grin

bookcase- hope your doing ok my love. x

droves · 05/11/2010 21:28

Well Deserved Kudos there smithfield !

Grin

Glad you had a nice time out with your family !

Smile
SoLonely · 08/11/2010 09:47

Does anyone else feel that they are too damaged to ever recover? I do. Whenever I read in books about how a child can be damaged by abuse, there is always mention of how a good/secure attachment with another adult can do a lot to minimise and counteract the damaging effects of the abuse.

But in my case there was no secure attachment with another adult. My dad was the abuser and my mother was too weak/scared to do anything about it. Nor did she try and provide any support or comfort to me at other times, we simply had no relationship at all. I had some very good friends as a child, but there were no adults in my life who could provide at some some safety and security in the absence of any being provided by my parents.

And as a result of this I think I am so damaged as to never be able to fully recover. I sometimes think that my brain must have been so 'frazzled' by some of the truly terrifying and horrific experiences I had as a child, it must be damaged beyond repair. I think if shortly after the abusive peisodes my dad realised how awful his behaviour was and had tried to make amends, the damage could have been mimised, but that was possible only at that time. Now, 30 years on, it's too late.

And now as an adult, I have nobody on my side. Nobody who knew what I was going through as a child, even though they might have felt unable to help, but who could at least now validate my experience and tell me they believed me. Some of you have at least one sibling who can 'see' things the way you do, who are not caught up in the family's dysfunctional system, but I don't have that either. Neither of my siblings can or want to step out of the family system.

And so that leaves me feeling completely alone. Things are not good with DH either. I don't see how our marriage can last. I am too damaged to be a proper wife to DH. I was reading something recently about adopted children who have come from abusive backgrounds and how their adoptive parents need help, support and guidance in coping with the issues the adopted children inevitably bring with them. And I suddenly realised that in some ways I have needed DH to be like a parent to me. This relationship with him is the first time in all my life that I have felt safe and secure and trusting enough to start forming an attachment to somebody. I know at times I have acted very childishly with DH, with childish needs for reassurance and security and protection from him. Whereas he sees me and sees a 40 year old woman and he doesn't understand why I behave the way I do. He doesn't know that the outside is just a shell and inside, the real me, is still a child needing to feel safe and secure and loved, all the things she never got as a child.

I don't think my childhood needs will ever be sufficiently fulfilled as to go away, because they are so great, my needs as a child were not met in the slightest and so there is an absolutely huge void that needs to be filled. DH can fill it to a certain extent and he has, but he needs and wants something back from me too but I seem unable to give him anything. I just about manage to give what little I have to my DC's, and there is nothing left for anybody else, not even DH. Understandably, he is becoming increasingly unhappy with me and I sometimes think it will be a relief if we split up. Because then I won't have to try and be something that I can't be, not right now anyway. I can't be the wife that he wants and the pressure of trying to be something that I'm not is getting too much. I find it hard being a parent, but I somehow manage it as best I can, because I love the DC's and they trust me to look after them and they have nobody else and so I somehow manage to create something out of nothing and give them everything I have. But DH is not a child and although I care about him I don't love him like I do the DC's and I seem to have very little left in me to give him. I feel sorry for him. If he had met somebody else with far less baggage than me he would probably be happy now. I have told him many times he is free to go and find somebody else, that he deserves to be happy. But he refuses to go, he says he loves me. But it just makes me feel worse because I don't feel I love him back, not in the way he wants anyway.

Ok, sorry for the ramble, I just needed to get this load off my chest. Thanks for reading if you have got this far.

thisishowifeel · 08/11/2010 10:45

solonely if he says that he loves you, you simply let him do that. It requires nothing of you. He simply loves you. That's wonderful.

It's part of the fuzzy boundaries thing that is so intrinsic to our stuff here in the Stately home. His feelings are what they are, and actually nothing whatever to do with you. You only have to be responsible for your feelings.

This responsibility for others feelings is a huge part of the hangover of abusive childhoods. It's very liberating to start to let it go, and merely be responsible for our OWN feelings. Even the children only have THEIR own feelings.

Pete Walkers website is so good for this stuff I think.

I was 47 on Friday. It was also a new moon. I like to think that I have been reborn now. My marriage is improving, his therapy is proving effective.

It can get better.

Acinonyx · 08/11/2010 11:17

I posted a little on the early threads and just popped by to see how things are going.

Books and Nemo - I too am worn down with bracing myself for imminent disaster. It's as though I would bring down bad luck by having positive thoughts. I find myself driving along, brooding on some horrible possibility or a personal collection of the most distressing news items. Why?? It's so pointless - I wish I could think cheerful thoughts. I am so morbid. I must be a real joy to live with Hmm.

Maybe we should have an elastic band around our wrist that we ping whenever we have dark thoughts - that would they do in cognitive therapy.

I'm sick of my own misery - sick and tired of being sick and tired. As for my family - I just don't have the energy to get into it. Like everyone else here, I just want dd to be untouched by it all.

bintofbohemia · 08/11/2010 11:35

Hello again everyone.

I'm currently psyching myself up for a confrontation.

I told my SM on Saturday that DH has finally got a new job which means we can finally move away from my hometown and all the shitty memories, and them being on the doorstep.

Her response was as expected, she was really funny and clipped with me and said "Oh, well of course we'll miss you, even though we don't see you much anymore." (This is because despite living 4 minutes away they proritise shopping, football, drinking, in fact anything else over seeing us. They chose not to spare any time for us. They chose not to come round and spend any time with DS2 at any point since he was born. They literally haven't spent any time with my children on their own for over a year. THEIR fucking choice.

Then she said "perhaps it would be nice if you could go and see your sister's new house before you go."

We have barely spoken to each other in two years, for a variety of reasons. ANd yet there's SM making out (again) like I'm shit for not going. She hasn't told me she's moved, let alone let me know her address.

THere were a few other things, and she needled me so badly that I was up half the night obsessing about it. Only she could manage to turn our news round to being about her daughter.

I'm going to call her back in a bit and say,

  • maybe you don't realise that X (sister) and I don't speak? So we won't be going round.

  • we know, and you know that the reason you don't see us much is because you choose it to be this way. Not us shutting you out, as you are so fons of telling everyone.

And - maybe we could have a meal before we go but at my house, not yours, and only if there are no snidey remarks all the way through about how we don't see you when it's been YOUR FUCKING CHOICE ALL ALONG.
It's going to kick off. Wish me luck. I hate all this conflict.

bintofbohemia · 08/11/2010 11:37

(This all sounds so inane and unimportant out of context. This is what drives me up the wall. She says really shit things but you can't pick up on it without a fight which then reflects badly on me. So fuckign bored of it. THank god we're moving.)

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