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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Carry On Past The Offy!!

977 replies

Mouseface · 09/10/2010 18:54

Well, this is our tenth thread so we are throwing a little party!

Everyone is invited! No booze of course, soft drinks and mocktails only!

I'm Mouse, hello. Smile

There are all kinds of drinkers on board the bus. Come and join the journey, whatever stage you are at, drinking, cutting down, wanting to stop or sober already.

Everyone is welcome to post here. Come say hi.

The journey so far is below.

JWN's original thread

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OP posts:
IloveBafanaBafana · 11/10/2010 22:00

Good for you LittleRed, You are choosing your response to them pressing your buttons, and I know that for me, I sometimes looked for a reason to drink!
Mum irritated me on the phone, Kids wound me up, DP breathed in the wrong way.

I am sure that all these things will continue to happen, I am just going to choose a different response.(hopefully).

IloveBafanaBafana · 11/10/2010 22:01

And finally, what is an N&T??

JaneS · 11/10/2010 22:04

Thanks, sound advice there!

I guess I'm pretty serious atm because I've just got onto the thread and I feel as if I can't afford to relax a minute or I'll get complacent. But it is so good to be here and hear from everyone!

Today, I too will not be frinking. Grin

(DH has just asked me if that is mumsnet-speak for 'solo sexual activity'. Blush)

VampireMouseface · 11/10/2010 22:08

LRD - count to ten and remember tha if you do drink tonight, they have won.

Drink has won. Why let someone/something else control your life? Can you really justify a drink? Really?

I can't these days. I do have the odd glass but I DON'T go on a bender anymore.

When I think back at how many times I've got pissed cos my mum had cancer, dad was at risk of losing his job, my sister's partner was killed in an RTA, my brother was bullied, my mum was diagnosed with MS, my nephew is ill..........

All of those excuses to drink, my families ill health, issues, problems that I couldn't control. At all.

They are/were excuse enough to drink.

Scary stuff.

VampireMouseface · 11/10/2010 22:11

ILBB - N&T = Nothing&Tonic!!!!

Served over ice with a slice usually!! Grin

JaneS · 11/10/2010 22:11

Thanks Mouse.

I know what you mean about the excuses to drink (though yours are very sad, I'm so sorry).

I think just writing on here is good. I came and typed up what I was thinking instead of going and getting ready to go up to the shop and I don't feel want to go so badly now, so that's good.

I'm going to go have a good hot shower and get to bed, I think.

Night all! Smile

ChristianaTheSeventh · 11/10/2010 22:11

Little red... what to tell DH?! I think MN speak for 'solo sexual activity' (nicely put, by the way) must surely be 'finger frinking'!

Blush

N&T = Nothing and Tonic!

JaneS · 11/10/2010 22:12

Grin Blush Grin

And on that note ...

I really am off to bed!

IloveBafanaBafana · 11/10/2010 22:18

Well done LRD, I am exactly the same, I just come here and blurt out all the rubbish that's in my head (sometimes I then delete it Blush), but typing it out makes me feel better, and to realise that I am totally safe here and nobody judges me feels great.

It also takes away the urge? Which is kinda wierd, but I am not complaining!

I don't think I could have done this without this thread.
I said to DP last night that I had got to 8 days, and he just mumbled and shrugged, and I did say to him - thank god I have you lot.

Thanks for the N&T info - not sure I am ready for that yet, will stick to the Cranberry at the moment.
Is it weird that I was drinking it at a friend's on Saturday, and actually began to feel a little lightheaded - the placebo effect n full flow there I think!

VampireMouseface · 11/10/2010 22:25

LRD - sleep well sweetheart.

Night to those who are going to bed. I am going to join you. In the none biblical sense!!

Sleep well Brave Babes. xxxxx

diabolik - I hope that you are ok and have not been scared off. Tough love is MIFLAW's game. Don't worry about it, we have all had some.

Hope to see you in the morning x

Night all xx

ChristianaTheSeventh · 11/10/2010 22:26

forget frinking - this is the best typo thread ever

VampireMouseface · 11/10/2010 22:35

Briiliant Christi!! Just brilliant!! Grin

Kind of fuck up that I do!!

diabolik · 12/10/2010 06:59

VMF - I'm ok grew up with a dad who compensated his lack in size with his ego. I dealt with that piece of baggage a long time ago.

To be challenged is good you learn you grow , but that doesn't mean accepting everything that is said for the truth As the truth is never black or white. I learned to never distrust my own feelings as that does more harm then good as you end up completely removed from your own centre.

So I see me posting here as cathartic - I can post my thoughts and receive feedback (whether positive or negative) and encouragement when needed - but it will not replace my own learning processes that will allow me to grow beyond the initial braking the pattern of destructive behaviour.

Anyway it looks like its going to be a good day. After work I am of for a swim and I will not drink today.

Rightpickle · 12/10/2010 07:25

Morning all.

I woke up today feeling fantastic. My skin is clear, my eyes are bright instead of red and sad, and I have no black circles under them. I'm still a fuck up and I still have a long way to go, but i'm hanging in there. Week three of sober is going okay.

Today I will not drink. Or frink.

Good luck to all today.

venusindelhi · 12/10/2010 07:39

Venus here, reporting in from hot and busy Delhi. Commonwealth Games excitement is still going on (it is midday here) with the last couple of days of sporting events. Things are building up for the closing ceremony (which is bound to include something of Bollywood) and the handover to Scotland (which I guess will have...... bagpipes and tartan). I've done a bit of sightseeing - contrast between huge rich temples and appaling poverty. The way some people exist here is often appaling, sometimes revolting, and usually heartbreaking. But still there is optimism and laughter and dignity and courtesy. I am humbled.

KismetKitten · 12/10/2010 07:45

Good morning all. Looks like lots of positive stuff going on for you guys at the moment. Yesterday was Day 6 without alcohol for me.

ChristianaTheSeventh · 12/10/2010 07:52

Morning everyone! Slept like an angel - but I did take a sleeping pill.

venusindelhi · 12/10/2010 08:08

Been catching up on posts and here are some random thoughts about what I've read.

Notevenamousie nice to see you, and hope you are doing OK. In your early posts you talked about tackling drink 'tomorrow'. Please never put it off, that is just a trick. Any of us could plan to be sober tomorrow - for me the imporatant thing is dealing with today. I am sober today. I will remain that way - today.

Mouse love your new name - hope nemo's cold is getting better. Christi so sorry to hear about your dd, but despite that you sound as though you are managing to get through things. I was so Sad for you last week when you were down, but it's been lovely to see you posting on here, and supporting other people.

MIFLAW I loved your analogy about the boxer. I have lost count of the number of times I have been mad enough to get back in the ring for another beating. And often having that first drink seems to give me just enough dutch courage to think that maybe this time I will win. These days, I'm playing a totally different game, and on this thread it's like a team game where we're all on the same side. Every day that any of us passes without a drink is another glorious winning goal for all of us.

diabolic I would have always described my self as a hedonist - a pleasure seeker, hating anything that caused me discomfort. I have used that as an excuse for much of my behaviour - hating exercise becuase I don't like anything that makes me hot / sweaty / uncomfortable / sore; drinking what I wanted when I wanted because it made me feel good and strong and happy.

Except that IT WAS ALL A PACK OF LIES.

I was not a hedonist, I was a lazy selfish alcoholic. And I deluded myself. Drinking did not make me strong and happy. It did not fill the empty place - it pretended to, but I think it just made me so drunk that I stopped noticing that there was a place that was empty. I was still only firing on 4 cylinders, but I was too drunk to notice that there 8 others not working. And as long as that continued, there was little I could do to address it properly. Hedonism is the pursuit of pleasure, please of the senses, doing things that have pleasureable consequences. Drinking alcohol means taking a sour bitter poison into my mouth (not pleasurable), overloading my nervous system with a depressent which means that I lose control of my mental and physical abilities (there is no pleasure in falling over, hurting yourself, peeing yourself, slurring your speech), stressing all my physical systems with a toxic product (no pleasure at all in having a raging hangover, being dehydrated, sick, shaky, hot, shivery).

Now I am more hedonistic than I was. I AM pursuing pleasure, I am avoiding pain. And I like it.

venusindelhi · 12/10/2010 08:23

Oh and someone posted about alochol being a stimulant or a depressant.

It is both. It has an initial (relatively small) stimulant effect. Then it has a BIG depressant effect, and the depressant effect is bigger than than the stimulant one, so another drink does not give another 'high'. You can tell it is a depressant because it depresses a multitude of neurochemical reactions in your body. It depresses higher thinking functions of the brain - making us less inhibited, giggle at inappropriate things, giving us dutch courage but eventually depressing those higher thinking functions to the extent where we indulge in very high risk behaviour (unsafe sex, driving while drunk, walking on railway lines - and still find them amusing Hmm).

Alcohol depresses physical funtions, making us stagger a wee bit at first, or fall, but eventually depressing our neurotrasmitter functioning so that we fall and can not get up, that we can not control our bladder or bowels, that we cannot maintain consciousness, that we lose some of our reflexes and are at risk of choking on our vomit. And alcohol is a respiratory depressant, so eventually we can breathe shallower and slower until we stop completely.

As a wonderful side effect, alcohol also depletes our stores of essential vitamins and trace elements so that over the long term we can experience more sustained mental depression.

Today, for me, it doesn't seem worth it, just for a tiny wee stimulant effect in the first mouthful. And since I've never been good at stopping at the first mouthful. today I'll not be drinking at all.

dementedma · 12/10/2010 09:14

morning all. Felt better when I woke up today than I have in a while and didn't need to reach for the paracetamol first thing..eyes still look dull and bleary with black circles but hopefully that will change soon.
Day 4 and I will not be frinking.
have a good, sober day y'all. Smile

jesuswhatnext · 12/10/2010 09:30

morning everyone!!, lovely to hear from you venus!, lovely thought provoking posts too!

ma - give it another few days and you will feel amazing!, it took me about 2 weeks to really feel the benefit of not drinking - i cannot believe i functioned now when i was pouring that shit down my throat everyday, i had got used to feeling so awful i thought it was my natural state! - i feel and look ten years younger now!

VampireMouseface · 12/10/2010 10:13

Morning all. Smile

JWN - today's footwear is...........? Grin

venus - it was me and LRD discussing alcohol as a depressant or stimulant and I said it was both too. Well, it was for me!

You are like our very own overseas correspondent!! Grin Glad you are having a great time out there! It sounds fantastic.

diabolik - you sound so much more positive today! I take it that you are starting to feel better about being on the bus? Smile

Ma - it does take a couple of weeks for your system to start functioning completely without the aid of alcohol. The first three days is the toughest because of the withdrawl that you get. Then, as the toxins decrease, you start to feel better both physically and mentally.

One thing that I have found and I know others did too, is that at around day 7 or 8, you feel hungover even though you've not had a drink!!!

Again, this is quite simply your body adjusting to the lack of toxins and sugar! There's more sugar in a glass of wine than in Coca-Cola! Loads more infact!

Christi - as I have said before, if you need to take a sleeping pill, then do it. The most important thing for you and for all of those who have recently stopped drinking is to get sleep so that you body can repair itself.

Anyway, enough of me waffling on at you all. I'm sure there must be something I should be doing!!

TODAY I WILL NOT BE FRINKING OR DRINKING!! Grin

jesuswhatnext · 12/10/2010 10:17

mouse - today i am mostly wearing my very high black patent knee length boots that make dh go 'all funny'! Grin

i too will not be frinking! Grin

VampireMouseface · 12/10/2010 10:29

JWN - you are a tease! Your poor DH having to watch you strut your stuff all day around the office. Grin

desiretochange · 12/10/2010 10:31

Morning everyone, Day 3 for me today (again!)
Today I will not be frinking and I most definitely will not be wearing high black patent knee length boots:) for two very valid reasons, 1 - don't own a pair, 2 - am 5'3' and resemble the Michelin Man so would look completely ridiculous:) but boy do I envy you JWN Envy

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