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Do all men think like this about 'older' women - warning controversial!

218 replies

runoutofnameideas · 22/08/2010 14:55

DH and I have been having problems. Long story but all of the spark has gone.

Anyway, as part of a wider discussion, he was talking a lot about how men are pre-programmed to go for younger women and that as women get old we have to be attractive in other ways etc. etc. That women of 40 or 45 can't typically compete with younger ones of say 25 and if it were on physical appearance alone, men would go for younger(other than a few exceptions - I suppose e.g. demi moore)

On and on. He said stuff like and that's why women BBC presenters get dropped at 50 and so many older men have younger wives and it's all a biological imperative as men traditionally are still be fertile but women aren't.

He reckons most middle aged men don't think about their wives whilst having sex with them and are really thinking about someone else.

He says he thinks it's important to tell the truth and lots of people must be going through the motions when they don't really fancy each other.

I can sort of (very sadly) see his point but it is so horrid to think this is true and I'm destined to have had it shortly.

I am exhausted and so sad he thinks like this.
Opinions please!

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singledomisgood · 23/08/2010 17:46

Unquietdad, I hope your formula for the perfect age gap is wrong! I am 45. Any fit 97 year old men around? Smile

OP, it sounds like your D(?)H is envious of his friends with their young wives and possibly planning something.

Is he always so charming and complimentary towards you?

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 23/08/2010 18:24

Don't worry, singledom, I think UD's formula sets you up with a 76 year old.

phwoooooooaaaaaarghh

UnquietDad · 23/08/2010 18:25

It's not my formula! I just quoted it and don't claim to believe in it...

ValiumSingleton · 23/08/2010 20:21

Yeah that formula is a joke!

singledomisgood · 23/08/2010 21:15

Oh well, thats ok then. Any fit 76 year olds around then?

runoutofnameideas · 23/08/2010 22:06

Valium you have hit the nail on the head. It absolutely makes me feel bitter and resentful when I hear this stuff.

We have been together a long time and I can say he is not an abusive person, it's that he is super rational and doesn't seem to have considered how all this would make me feel.

I really appreciate all your comments - some useful, some have made me laugh, some both!

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Quattrocento · 23/08/2010 22:10

I think your dh is a fuckwit

ninah · 23/08/2010 22:11

lol qc

LadyLapsang · 23/08/2010 22:13

'He did say that as relationships progress, because of all this decline in physical attraction, other aspects of the relationship need to compensate and wasn't suggesting that I'd be dumped as soon as I hit 45 or whatever but hey that's not much consolation.'

God, aren't you lucky!

My advise would be to do whatever it is that makes you happy. Maybe take a lover (then you won't have to think about your partner with the charming talk & thinning hair) and check out your position should you wish to pension him off so he can take up with a girl child & you can find a more caring partner.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 23/08/2010 22:33

Is he saying the older you get, the more blowjobs I will demand? Cos it sure sounds like it to me.

runoutofnameideas · 23/08/2010 22:54

what because then he wouldn't have to see how old I am?

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 23/08/2010 22:58

"other aspects of the relationship need to compensate" - it sounds like he is saying ok you're getting older and uglier, but you can make it up to me and prevent me running off with the 25 year old to which I am entitled, if you do X.

Blowjobs were just a suggestion really.

runoutofnameideas · 23/08/2010 23:09

LOL maybe.

What I really don't get is that I don't even think I look worse than I used to. I hardly have any wrinkles and people often think I'm in my early thirties not late thirties. OK I have duff old lady legs and not a great body but hey.

Was tempted to post a pic when someone suggested that but can't in case someone recognises me from ds' school or whatever!

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PilgrimSoul · 23/08/2010 23:11

There is some truth to it, men going for fertility, and women for resources.

But as an earlier poster said, such a setup often results in cuckholding for the resource rich older partner.

elastamum · 23/08/2010 23:13

Chin up girl! You might be getting older but you H is getting stupider by the minute. AND EVERYBODY HERE AGREES ON THIS.
Repeat after me. 'I am fab, he is acting like a prick' Grin

ruthosaurus · 23/08/2010 23:30

Another one here whose DH thinks yours is talking pop-science bollocks.

I bet you look better in 10 years than he does. Shit, I bet you look better now than he does.

Shame on him. And his ever-lengthening nose and ear hair.

greenscarf · 23/08/2010 23:31

It sounds like he is just a VERY INSECURE and BITTER person who wants to make you feel as bad as he feels about himself.He is being a textbook bully IMO.

I'm sorry he's made you feel like this, you clearly don't deserve it. I noticed you said a few times that this was just a way of explaining why he didn't want to sleep with you anymore. I think rejecting one's partner sexually is one of the most hurtful things one can do, and he is doing it to you.

I'm sorry, I don't know where I am trying to get to. I guess I just don't think anyone deserves to be treated like this by someone who is meant to love them.

Sending you a big hug, even though we don't know each other.

dittany · 23/08/2010 23:46

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sunny2010 · 24/08/2010 08:49

My husband is in his 20s and loves older women and likes the fantasy about it in porn etc. We met at 18 but he has always found older woemn attractive to.

Loads of men and women are attracted to people of a variety of ages. I think yoru husband is being a little silly.

runoutofnameideas · 24/08/2010 09:40

Grin Dittany

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rednosedays · 24/08/2010 11:05

Well I would find those kinds of comments really offensive and in fact would probably already be lining up a few younger admirers. I agree with the poster about taking back some control.

But in a way you have an advantage here. You have seen through his thoroughly depressing (and so dated) views and recognise that he is being incredibly thoughtless and selfish by trying to undermine you in this way.

Also - such a creepy old man way of thinking (reminds me of the sort of thing my father used to say but he is in his 70s and no-one takes his old man sexist comments seriously).

Not only do you have the advantage of a different attitude, but I am sure you can also attract men of all ages, if you so wish (I am sure some would be sympathetic as well!)

Now - what about him? How much is a full personality transplant - oops, sorry!! But really with an attitude like that, I can't imagine he is going to have scores of women lusing after him, surely?

Malificence · 24/08/2010 11:30

Is he actually saying (albeit in a cruel and roundabout way) that he doesn't fancy you any more?

My 44 year old body might not be the size 10 and have the taught skin and pert breasts of when I was 18 but my husbands still adores and desires it after 28 years together - my size 16 saggy stomach and stretchmarks gave him our DD and he loves every inch of me, as I do of him and his waistline has grown from the 28 inches of his youth to 34 now.

There should be more of a physical attraction the longer you've been together, not less.

I fear that in the years to come he will bully you and use subtle threats if you dare to age - does he comment negatively on your appearance now?

How would he cope if you became disfigured by illness or surgery?

ThatDamnDog · 24/08/2010 11:38

This is an important point Mal - how much of the OP's husband's feelings for her have been based solely on her physical appearance? It's worrying that he's suggesting she's responsible for "coming up with the goods" to keep him interested, even with his admission that companionship should fill the void. Companionship should grow, surely, not to fill a void but because it naturally does when you share years of your life with someone.

It's like my DP said (clumsily) - it's what you get used to. Not necessarily that you accept less physical attraction, but that you love someone for all that they are and that grows with time. This man appears to be suggesting the opposite, and justifying it with some claptrap about having testicles ...

runoutofnameideas · 24/08/2010 12:17

I'm sure he doesn't fancy me anymore. That was the context of the conversation. Sad.

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myredcardigan · 24/08/2010 12:33

DH just said your husband is a tosser!

He did just confirm that objectively if he was looking at porn or something, Hmm it's usually more pleasing on the eye if they're in their 20s. Though he did say he probably wouldn't notice once they'd been elongated and airbrushed! Grin

However, he said marriage/long term relationship is about so much more and love doesn't really see you get old.
-Ok, what he actually said was that 15yrs ago he couldn't keep his hands off my arse and he thought about my boobs a lot and now whilst he still quite likes these (I'm 39) he also loves that I take the piss out of him and help him to bed when he's drunk and laugh when he quotes blackadder or 80s films.

He also said (and sorry if this is TMI) that sometimes when we have sex and he's squeezing my bum he'll remember a time when we had similar sex, say, 10yrs ago pre DCs when it was all sexy and carefree and that makes him smile and helps to keep the spark going.

This must be fairly true for most men otherwise everyone would get divorced when their wife hit 40!

The fact is is is showing you such little respect that you need to consider whether you still want him.