Call #111 for Archers advice: Is Hilda breathing? Should Joy be breathing? Could Nelson Gabriel be in cryogenic suspension? Discuss The Archers here.

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Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like to be Joy's best friend or other unusual views.

Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3439443-keep-it-to-yourself-the-archers-spoilers-thread-4, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thanks for all the input on title suggestions. I'd missed the significance of 111, but @R4 and DDD, our resident numerologist, were right on to it. Strongly tempted by Bore's suggestion but couldn't resist the chance to mention my favourite ever Archers character, Nelson Gabriel. Have not managed to incorporate a cricket reference, so you'll have to read up on that for yourselves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_(cricket)

I wonder if this thread will last till Joe's funeral.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g, yes I was talking about the position if there was no will, or there was no new will made after marriage.

Now that Usha is getting pushed further and further back into the cereal cupboard (along with Carol T and her daughter), I doubt if anybody else would think to mention it.

On the subject of legal matters , it must be about time for Adam and Ian to sort out Xander's parental responsibility/adoption?

If Jill and Leonard marry any existing wills fall. The survivor would be entitled to their legal rights in an intestacy situation. If new wills are made after the marriage the surviving spouse could still claim their minimum legal rights if the will cut them out.

In Scotland and I would assume England as well Jill and Leonard can agree they will discharge their legal rights or set a cap on them as long as they have separate, independent legal advice on the implications.

I don't think Leonard will turn out to be a wrong 'un. I think this story will be about how Jill's children react to her getting remarried. They will all have a different take - David will be most hard hit since he's never left home, Elizabeth - widowed herself - will have a different take, St Smugula will be wearing her vicar's hat and Kenton will make it all about him. Last Tango in Ambridge. It's a logical extension of Jill feeling she's no longer got a role in her children's lives and the farm due increasing age and therefore being at more and more of a loose end. I wonder where they would live - would they move into Leonard's? Isn't Carole living in Jill's cottage? While I can see that inheritance could be potentially complicated in this situation, I think the fact that the farm is already sewn up and Glebe Cottage is held in trust for Shula and Elizabeth means it is not a massive issue here. Not sure what Leonard's situation is of course, but I think this storyline will be all about Jill.

I think David's entitled to be a bit unhappy that there's suddenly another person in the house from dawn till dusk apparently taking over the kitchen and other areas. I also don't understand why Leonard keeps insisting that Jill rests - it's not as if her wrist affects her ability to walk.

Yes I agree with david on that. Having someone in your house all the time must be draining. I want to wonder round in my pyjamas and I couldn't do that with a stranger there.

That's exactly why Jill should be living in her own house - with Leonard.

Of course it’s possible Jill’s actress (Patricia Green?) wants an out. Jill and Leonard get married after a year or so of courtship, we’ve met L a bit & got to know him, then they retire to Leonard’s house. Maybe we’ll see them back at Christmas or on some family birthdays., or maybe not. One hiccup there is we need (or I want) to know more of his back story. There were suggestions in his early meetings with Freddie that he knew something about prisons. It would be good to hear what that is. It doesn’t have to be so bad it has Jill thinking twice about settling down with him, just a bit more clarity/information is required.

I intended to add that it’s a crazy story line having a woman in her 80s - and now an older man, however temporarily- keeping house for a group of fit and healthy adults. If David is so busy he can’t do any household jobs, then surely he’s too busy outside running ‘his’ farm to notice how much Leonard is around. He’s got a cheek complaining about this old man cooking, shopping, doing his laundry. He should be bloody grateful to his mother and Leonard for taking all this on, as should all the others at Brookfield.

What's crazy is that Jill can't live in her own house because she's rented it to someone who has moved into the cereal cupboard.

Yes I agree with david on that. Having someone in your house all the time must be draining. I want to wonder round in my pyjamas and I couldn't do that with a stranger there. Having had my house over-run by adolescent males for years and then by scantily clad females, I'm used to the idea of wearing at least a dressing gown if I'm outside my bedroom. You very soon get used to the idea of people seeing you less well-presented than you (and they) may like.

I agree that this storyline is probably more about Patricia Greene than Jill Archer.
There again, I still don't trust Leonard and I wonder, after the Peggy & the reporter story, this is about Jill being duped, too. Actually I hope I'm wrong there; it would be ridiculous if all three sisters-in-law fell foul of tricksters.

I didn’t really understand the Peggy and the journalist story. Didn’t Jick used to own the Echo? Surely she would have sniffed out a rat herself. Was the point of the story to have Tony rescue her after inspiration from Joy - thus further rehabilitating Joy after her irritating debut? Or was it so that Piggoi would have more sympathy for Aunty Cardboard- who never gets so much as mention since she was shipped off to the Laurels’ cereal cupboard? It just seemed a bit of a non-drama - especially after Tony alerted the fraudster to the fact that he’d been caught out instead of reporting him to the police. He should have got Harrison (the only policeman in Borsetshire) to be at the house for Peggy’s interview.

I didn’t really understand the Peggy and the journalist story

I wasn't paying much attention but it made no sense to me.

Sorry to bother but can anyone tell me which date was Jacobs meal with the Aldridge's?

I'm not sure that the journalist necessarily is a fraudster. It would be highly unlikely for someone operating a scam to leave a traceable phone number. It may be that he'll turn out to be a keen freelancer or something.

Sorry to bother but can anyone tell me which date was Jacobs meal with the Aldridge's?
It was November 1st, Jog.

OK - I caught a bit of the omnibus this morning, where CMR is telling Elizabeth about fighting philistinism (in the form of Robert) and unloads his moan about "poor me" / "don't want to allow my past to catch up with me dwell on my past".

So, I had one small question I was hoping someone can help me with: why didn't Lizzie just punch Russ?

Supplementary: maybe this was discussed upthread, but why was David so anxious to sit in A&E with his mother for hours, when Leonard seemed a perfectly sensible person to do it?

Question 1- Lizzie seems enthralled by CMR. Not sure why; possibly because when they have grown up conversations about art and stuff like that he is the only person Lizzie can have those conversations about art and stuff with.

Question 2 - jealousy. David is worried Brookfield will lose its domestic slave and possibly if matters get more serious, he will lose his inheritance. He has to show how devoted he is.

My question (pinched from the spoilers thread)

Will anybody dare to mention to Phoebe that she ought to get a job?

And my follow up questions (a) what is she living on and (b) what does she do all day?

Lizzie seems enthralled by CMR. Not sure why
It stems from when she had the panic attack when she and Russ were shopping, and he calmed her down. Since then, she's relied on him to help her with her recovery. She knows he understands, and can talk to him about it.

The adult conversation probably also helps.

It stems from when she had the panic attack when she and Russ were shopping, and he calmed her down

I deliberately forgot about that as didn't want to give credit where credit was due. Can you imagine how useless Kenton or David would have been in that situation?

Although brilliant with Lizzie I don’t/can’t/don’t wish to give much credit. CMR is a skilled manipulator !!!

I wonder if Lizzie does have good adult friends outside of family that she can confide in? As we were reminded recently, the trio of her, Siobhan and Debbie rather fell apart with Siobhan’s affair 13+ years ago, and it’s not always easy to make new friends as a grown-up.

Unless it was an unregistered pay as you go SIM card used only for this then binned?

Oh, this is ridiculous! As if Len would be asking David ...

Poor Johnny. At least he told Lily some home truths.