SOC reveals he's a quitter whilst Keri sews up plot holes on Twitter about the wicked wife-sitter! Discuss the Archers here.

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Not long until our thread's 3 year birthday!

It would be good if they could revive Amy and have Helen bump into her. Surely Helen would have faith in her judgment given that she was single handedly responsible for saving both Helen's and Henry's lives last time round?

I didn't realise Henry was 10 weeks premature. I must have forgotten that.

Women who are low risk are suitable to have a home birth if they;

are age 40 years
--think they got that the wrong way round!
Check

parity >5

BMI 35

Again I think whoever wrote this is confused by less than/greater than. But H might struggle with that criteria.

have no pre-existing medical conditions

Maybe

have no previous history of obstetric complications

Like pre eclampsia and prem labour perhaps.

have a singleton pregnancy
Check

are in spontaneous labour

have a baby in the cephalic presentation

are in labour at 36 completed weeks of pregnancy i.e. are at or over 37 weeks
gestation.

7. High risk women
It is national and local policy that all women should be able to choose their place of birth. even if expecting the antichrist
During the antenatal period it is the midwives responsibility to identify any factors which may indicate the woman may have a higher risk of adverse birth outcomes.
These should be discussed with the women fully so the information can be considered in the decision making regarding place of birth. Midwives should also consult and refer appropriately
within the wider maternity services team.

Although this guideline recommends that all high risk women should receive care during labour and birth in the Consultant Obstetric unit [..] we must recognise that
despite this advice some high risk women will choose to give birth at home.
Where women are competent to make these decisions and have adequate information they should not be
judged and their decisions should be respected. even if giving birth to the antichrist
During the antenatal period midwives should:
clearly advise the women that she should labour/give birth in hospital.
continue to work in partnership with the women and provide appropriate care.
clearly document any discussions with the woman and record these in the Pregnancy Record
involve a Supervisor of Midwives (SOM) in planning care. The woman should be
aware she can contact an SOM for support/advice.
involve other relevant health care professionals in planning care.
agree and document an appropriate plan for care with the woman in the Pregnancy
Record, including strategies for managing any complications which may arise.
Etc. Etc.
[...]
review the management plan with the woman and her partner.
If appropriate have the second on-call midwife may be present during the first
stage of labour for support.

so expect them to advise but not insist and for there to be more than 1 midwife involved.

I predict they will.push for home burth.
She will go into prem labour. Touch and go trip to hospital and she gives birth without Rob being there.
He will chuck mega strop.

First them = mws
Second they= titcheners

Hopefully she'll give birth with just Kirsty there. Or Ian.

Either that or it will all come to a head when the Titcheners try to keep a desperate Helen is house. She escapes to hospital in labour and that is how she gets away from Rob's clutches. Further drama ensues as her family try to get Henwee back and the Titcheners try for a spit of child swapping.

Happy ending time.

Apparently they plan TA 40 years ahead. Hopefully this is not SOC cue to keep piping up 'oh yes that was ine of my ideas lovely to see my infouence still at TA' for the forseeable. Recently, none of it seems planned to me.

A non listener here. I catch bits but not listening to helrob SL. It makes my teeth gnash. For all of the reasons up thread.

As soon as Knob said it was absolutely Helen's decision, he was effectively telling her he agreed with Mummy Arsula. But if anything goes wrong it will be totally Helen's fault because he left the decision completely to her.

It'll probably be another premature birth so that SOC can go out on a massively dramatic climax.

Was SOC responsible for the EE story many years ago where a married man had an affair with a woman precisely so he and his wife could eventually kidnap her in order to steal the baby she was about to give birth to? Because I could really do without a similar-ish scenario in Ambridge.

Pretty sure Henry was not all that early - 2-3 weeks at most? Definitely not ten. He was out of hospital pretty quickly.

Cork bobbing in the sea again. I can only think of Rosemary's Baby and The Omen (as so masterfully predicted by Bore) and surely TA isn't going to turn into a horror film?

Just as an aside - greater than > and less than < signs always eat the bigger number, if you think of them like crocodile jaws.

Still, if they're releasing the audiobook in October, that implies it will all be over before then. I know it's months away, but it's better than years.

Henry was born 6 weeks premature according to bbc website

Didn't Helen just say he was born at 30 weeks?

Just to add to the picture, looking on Lowfields, Henry was born on 2 Jan (2011) and came home on 24 Jan which is plausible for a child born at 34 weeks.

Gosh, how quickly one forgets. I was consumed with fury by that episode, more because of Nigel's death than by all the implausible stuff going on with Helen, and that's my excuse for forgetting how early she went into labour.

Neither she nor Rob seemed annoyed that he was jumping on Helen though. So Helen has absorbed the "Henry must behave like a little robot at all times so as not to annoy Rob" really well so she spouts it even when Rob doesn't.

How long before Henry tells her Rob says he has to be "obedient"?

Henry isn't being obedient so he's not going to tell anyone. He's still behaving in a way he's been told is wrong and being given extra sugar to keep him that way.

The entire home birth thing is just ridiculous. Even Helen tried to protest against the idea before the horror story from 40 odd years ago was added to weaken her resolve.

It seems as if the SWs are piling on every type of potential danger and manipulative behaviour that they can think of now regardless of coherent motivation. If SOK is so precious to them then why would Knob and Knobula urge such a dangerous choice?

I wonder if we're suddenly going to learn that they are Jehovah's Witnesses and they'll refuse a transfusion at the crucial moment! Nothing would surprise me.

It is plausible that controlling people would want to have the birth somewhere they can control. Also that Rob would want his spawn born the same way as him (it's so going to be a emergency section).

Or maybe they don't really care one way or the other they are just contradicting the experts for the sake of it ex used to like doing that fuck knows why

Just LA she said "henry had to be whipped out at 30 weeks"
Yet again archivist required. Unless bbc website are gaslighting her.

But I reckon The Archers' scriptwriters always work to a different gestation period than the rest of us. Parallel universe they live in.

Unless she's lying to them?

It's also extremely unlikely that Arsula would have been allowed to have her second baby at home, after her traumatic first one. I've no idea how old Knob is but the idea of mothers having a choice of where to deliver went out in 70s and didn't come back in until this century.

Also hate the idea that giving a child sugar automatically makes them hyper. Lazy lazy lazy. And Helen's vicious yell at Henwee was very out of character.

I didn't think it was vicious just exasperated.
I suppose even in the 70s they couldn't make you go to hospital. But I wonder how many people have a VBAC at home? Even these days in hospital they still give the option of/ recommend a C Section if your first delivery was a section.

So far she has:

• BMI
• pre eclampsia
• previous prem birth
• previous c section

Against her having a home birth.she doesn't even have the energy to buy a shirt I doubt she can manage a long labour with limited pain relief.

Is this just a plot so other people go wtf!? and notice that Rob and Arsula do not have her interests at heart and so we see what happens when she stands up to them?

Just checked with Lowfield - Hellin didn't go into prem labour, she had the C section because of the PE (detected by supermidwife Amy at the LL party).

Henwee was well enough to be held by godfather Ian a couple of days later - I don't know much about these things but would this be usual if H was only 30 weeks?

My nephew was born at 30 weeks and home 5 days later so not unheard of. He looked like a peach and had no eyelashes.