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4+ assesements 2024

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tps123 · 07/06/2024 09:54

Hello

I thought I'd set up a new thread for those sitting 4+ in 2024 for September 2025 start date.

Any tips for prepping?

What schools are people considering?

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VividRaven · 22/01/2025 13:37

For those whose DC did not get a spot, maybe consider it a blessing. Imagine how tough the curriculum will be if the assessments were like this. If the school didn’t think they were a good fit, so be it, it’s their loss. We all want our DC to be happy, not to find school so difficult they hate waking up every morning. Let them develop that love for learning when they’re ready. They already have parents who really care about their education, and obviously live a life privileged enough to consider private education in the first place, they are luckier than most.

I’ve been reflecting on this entire process, and I question; what is the purpose of sending children to such academically focused schools at such a young age. I do really like the fact that intelligent children are “pushed” to reach their potential, compared to other instances, like some state schools for example, where teachers have no choice but to spend a majority of their time helping children who are falling behind, and the more academically inclined can just coast. There are plenty of non-selective who will have the resources to challenge the academic children, and still support the ones who are less so. Why does this “academic push” so to speak, have to start at reception? Children taught to read at 5-6 years old can likely grasp it much quicker than children who are 3-4 years old. The same goes with writing and maths. There’s an enormous difference in concentration and focus between these ages. If the child shows a natural interest in academics from 3 years old, I do believe this should be nurtured, although I don’t know of many who wouldn’t rather be digging in the mud and swinging at the playground.

I think a lot of it is “bragging rights” for parents, whether we like to admit it or not. What’s the end goal; Oxbridge or bust?

For people considering sitting their children through these assessments in the future, the 4+ process is extremely stressful, but thankfully in most cases, this is true more for the parent than the child. My DS still asks to go on more “play dates”.

FlakyShark · 22/01/2025 14:16

VividRaven · 22/01/2025 13:37

For those whose DC did not get a spot, maybe consider it a blessing. Imagine how tough the curriculum will be if the assessments were like this. If the school didn’t think they were a good fit, so be it, it’s their loss. We all want our DC to be happy, not to find school so difficult they hate waking up every morning. Let them develop that love for learning when they’re ready. They already have parents who really care about their education, and obviously live a life privileged enough to consider private education in the first place, they are luckier than most.

I’ve been reflecting on this entire process, and I question; what is the purpose of sending children to such academically focused schools at such a young age. I do really like the fact that intelligent children are “pushed” to reach their potential, compared to other instances, like some state schools for example, where teachers have no choice but to spend a majority of their time helping children who are falling behind, and the more academically inclined can just coast. There are plenty of non-selective who will have the resources to challenge the academic children, and still support the ones who are less so. Why does this “academic push” so to speak, have to start at reception? Children taught to read at 5-6 years old can likely grasp it much quicker than children who are 3-4 years old. The same goes with writing and maths. There’s an enormous difference in concentration and focus between these ages. If the child shows a natural interest in academics from 3 years old, I do believe this should be nurtured, although I don’t know of many who wouldn’t rather be digging in the mud and swinging at the playground.

I think a lot of it is “bragging rights” for parents, whether we like to admit it or not. What’s the end goal; Oxbridge or bust?

For people considering sitting their children through these assessments in the future, the 4+ process is extremely stressful, but thankfully in most cases, this is true more for the parent than the child. My DS still asks to go on more “play dates”.

Edited

I think most parents go for 4+ to save themselves and their kid the stress of 11+ if they believe in selective education

Actual education once you enter the school can often be a bit more nurturing as there is no big year 6 exam to get ready for

the process at 4+ is clearly flawed but it seems to broadly work for the schools involved and ultimately demand is in excess of supply

Even the poster questioning the whole validity of the process sent her child to a nursery that prepares for the process

if you don’t believe in the process send your child to a non selective school or a great state school. There are lots of options to give your child a great start in life beyond a handful of academically selective north london day schools

notatigermom · 22/01/2025 14:35

FlakyShark · 22/01/2025 14:16

I think most parents go for 4+ to save themselves and their kid the stress of 11+ if they believe in selective education

Actual education once you enter the school can often be a bit more nurturing as there is no big year 6 exam to get ready for

the process at 4+ is clearly flawed but it seems to broadly work for the schools involved and ultimately demand is in excess of supply

Even the poster questioning the whole validity of the process sent her child to a nursery that prepares for the process

if you don’t believe in the process send your child to a non selective school or a great state school. There are lots of options to give your child a great start in life beyond a handful of academically selective north london day schools

Many people may also want to have the flexibility to choose the nursery and school based on convenience that comes with proximity. Some people may also want the convenience to send all their kids to the same school. Unfortunately for me, the area I live in does not provide me with a lot of options to achieve both my goals as the convenient schools and nurseries are selective/academic.

Please let me know if anyone knows a great state school in NW3, NW1, NW8 or NW6 that does not have a very strict catchment area restriction.

shar90 · 23/01/2025 15:22

Does anyone know how many total applications to Jags?

Mumma2twin · 23/01/2025 20:51

I disagree with some of the comments made here, but I guess we all have different experiences with assessments depending on where we live and how popular/selective schools are.

Id agree that from my experience of NW London schools, connections have no influence at all. In fact some schools will reject siblings if they dont meet the standards required.

I dont feel shyer kids were at a disadvantage. I know kids who struggled to seperate from their parents, some that cried for a long time and still received offers or got through to the next stage. Most of these schools want a mixed range of personalities.

Whilst the process may not be fair unfortunately if you want to go down the private school route at a super selective school then this is the journey you have to take. Its down to you to decide what aligns with your parenting style- I was and still am against tutoring my children at 3 years however I have friends who are comfortable doing this. Each to their own.

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Dearboy · 23/01/2025 21:30

The 4+ process is still considered a lot less stressful compared with the later 7+, 8+, 11+, 13+ etc. The stress at 4+ is mostly for the parents, and the higher parents’ expectations are, the more stressful they’d feel. Children mostly don’t feel the stress of the assessments themselves, and it is more the stress of separation and having to stay in an unfamiliar environment (for some, not all) that they feel. Going through this process my DS wanted to go to more schools for play dates, and was happily ranking his preferences. The process is not perfect, but it is clear a lot of parents still prefer the less stressful 4+ compared with later choices.

mumv1 · 24/01/2025 16:33

Anyone heard back from Highgate ?

Dearboy · 24/01/2025 16:43

Highgate offers are out

4plusmum24 · 24/01/2025 17:35

Anyone knows when UCS offers will be out?

Dearboy · 24/01/2025 18:45

4plusmum24 · 24/01/2025 17:35

Anyone knows when UCS offers will be out?

They said before the 31st of January

Gabi678 · 24/01/2025 22:14

Any got in to Highgate or on reserve list?

NwLdnmum · 25/01/2025 07:31

Gabi678 · 24/01/2025 22:14

Any got in to Highgate or on reserve list?

Edited

Yes DD was lucky to get offered a place. 🙏🏻

Dearboy · 25/01/2025 08:10

Does anyone know if Highgate pre prep allow children to coast? Do they challenge children if they are more able to learn? I heard they are quite relaxed in learning in pre prep, and was wondering if they challenge children enough. DS likes academic challenges and had an offer from them. Thank you!

Reallyareyoukiddingme · 25/01/2025 09:47

Our experience with Highgate pre prep has been that it is relatively relaxed for the children between reception-year 2. They said they feel strongly that learning through play is the way to go at this age. I think it’s relaxed compared to eg the Hall or most of the 7plus pre preps though I don’t know how it compares to Habs or UCS for boys.

shar90 · 25/01/2025 10:23

Anyone offered a place at PHS?

Gabi678 · 25/01/2025 11:23

@NwLdnmum That’s amazing, congratulations ! are you going to accept the offer?

KimchiLaLa · 25/01/2025 11:46

Now that second rounds have happened and there's no way of changing the outcome - I assume - can anyone share what happened, especially for Habs and NLCS?

We're not doing it this year but would love to add any tips to my list.

NwLdnmum · 25/01/2025 11:59

Gabi678 · 25/01/2025 11:23

@NwLdnmum That’s amazing, congratulations ! are you going to accept the offer?

Thank you! We are not sure yet as all the other schools we have applied for are single sex so I guess it will depend on the results on Monday…

shar90 · 25/01/2025 23:34

Anyone offered at putney high and not accepting?

4plusmum24 · 26/01/2025 18:41

Anyone knows wraparound care for UCS? Do they provide lunch for reception, y1, y2?

Monkeymum25 · 26/01/2025 20:39

Anyone else absolutely terrified about tomorrow?!

YellowBathView · 27/01/2025 07:00

SHHS email is out! We only got waitlist:(, anyone knows how waitlist works at these schools?

Skoolview · 27/01/2025 07:10

Wow, offers coming out early in the day! We were waitlisted for NLCS. Congratulations to offer holders!

Monkeymum25 · 27/01/2025 07:49

Anyone heard from Habs yet?

tps123 · 27/01/2025 07:52

Yes big day today! Believe offers for NLCS and Habs boys and girls are today

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