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4+ assesements 2024

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tps123 · 07/06/2024 09:54

Hello

I thought I'd set up a new thread for those sitting 4+ in 2024 for September 2025 start date.

Any tips for prepping?

What schools are people considering?

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Reallyareyoukiddingme · 13/01/2025 16:21

But anecdotally (and I’ve been involved with the school for a while) they’ve never not taken a sibling.

YellowBathView · 13/01/2025 16:36

@Reallyareyoukiddingme we got into the second round. Soooo happy.

YellowBathView · 15/01/2025 16:32

does anyone have an experience with second rounds and what to expect?

Lapmum123 · 16/01/2025 10:32

After being rejected by Highgate in the first round, my daughter successfully progressed to the second round at Habs. The assessment for September-born children were 1on 1. It consisted of four activities, two of which were focused on numbers. My daughter couldn't provide further insights on the activities or specific details.

SleeplessinLondon00 · 16/01/2025 11:27

Lapmum123 · 16/01/2025 10:32

After being rejected by Highgate in the first round, my daughter successfully progressed to the second round at Habs. The assessment for September-born children were 1on 1. It consisted of four activities, two of which were focused on numbers. My daughter couldn't provide further insights on the activities or specific details.

This is so helpful. Thanks for the insight and best of luck for your daughter! How was the parent interview?

Lapmum123 · 16/01/2025 11:41

SleeplessinLondon00 · 16/01/2025 11:27

This is so helpful. Thanks for the insight and best of luck for your daughter! How was the parent interview?

Thanks! There wasn’t a formal parent interview, just an informal tour of the school. The majority of the girls there had only one parent present. The next step is the results, which will be communicated at the end of the month. Regardless of the outcome, I found the process smooth and appreciated that both the children and parents were treated nicely. The kids were given a little snack and juice, while the parents were offered coffee or tea and provided with shelter from the cold weather, instead of waiting outside or in the car.

ElatedSeal · 16/01/2025 14:27

Does anybody know how many got into 2nd round UCS and what it will involve?

VividRaven · 16/01/2025 20:05

The Hall results are out early

Lookingtomoveperhaps · 17/01/2025 12:05

Does anyone know how many reception (4+) places are offered by GHS (Guildford)?

BB08CAT · 19/01/2025 00:30

SleeplessinLondon00 · 08/01/2025 15:08

Good luck for the upcoming second rounds! What’s the second round of habs like? Think they’ve mentioned that there is an opp for parents to ask questions as “a group”. What does that mean?

Just picked up on this message. We had our Habs (boys) 2nd round last week and just in case you haven’t had yours yet, the Q&A session was exactly as they’ve described. A real opportunity for us parents to ask the head teachers any questions we had about the school.

Let me know how you get on 😊!

mumof2northwestlondon · 19/01/2025 07:42

Anyone got the offer from The Hall?

SleeplessinLondon00 · 19/01/2025 09:46

Lapmum123 · 16/01/2025 11:41

Thanks! There wasn’t a formal parent interview, just an informal tour of the school. The majority of the girls there had only one parent present. The next step is the results, which will be communicated at the end of the month. Regardless of the outcome, I found the process smooth and appreciated that both the children and parents were treated nicely. The kids were given a little snack and juice, while the parents were offered coffee or tea and provided with shelter from the cold weather, instead of waiting outside or in the car.

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I agree, compared to other schools we’ve found it really nice that habs put in such caring touches such as providing a snack and drink for the kids. A lot of others just rush them in and out of the assessment!

SleeplessinLondon00 · 19/01/2025 09:49

BB08CAT · 19/01/2025 00:30

Just picked up on this message. We had our Habs (boys) 2nd round last week and just in case you haven’t had yours yet, the Q&A session was exactly as they’ve described. A real opportunity for us parents to ask the head teachers any questions we had about the school.

Let me know how you get on 😊!

Oh wow, that’s an interesting dynamic to host! I hope it’s nothing like the tours we attended that had one or two overly keen parents that were asking questions for the sake of showing how much they knew already. Did you find that both parents were present for the round or did it vary?

Best of luck to your son! How did he find the assessment? Did they do it 1:1 or in a group again?

tps123 · 19/01/2025 13:27

Anyone done round 2 NLCS? How did you find it? Mine came out smiling and happy! Fingers crossed the teachers seem lovely

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notatigermom · 19/01/2025 23:02

My Experience So Far...
My DS was born in July and takes a bit of time to open up. He attends a nursery that prepares kids for assessments, and his teachers are confident that his skills are on par, provided he can overcome the initial hurdle of adjusting to an unfamiliar environment. He is also bilingual, with English being the weaker of his two languages.

Our first assessment was at Highgate in November. I found them to be very understanding. They had a transition room where children could stay with their parents until they felt comfortable enough to go inside. There were eight kids in our assessment batch, both boys and girls. Four of them were very confident—they shook hands with the teacher, introduced themselves, and went straight in. The remaining four, including my DS, stayed in the transition room with their parents. Each parent was trying to negotiate or convince their child to go in, while the teachers made efforts to engage the kids with toys.
After about five minutes, my DS and another girl decided to go in. Two boys, however, were in full meltdown mode. Eventually, one of them went in after 15 minutes, but the last boy never entered. I overheard the teacher telling his dad that they could try again another day.
When DS came out, he was very happy and said there were lots of toys and that he enjoyed his time. A few days later, we got the results: he didn’t make it to round two. I was disappointed, but since it was his first assessment, I remained hopeful.

Next was UCS. Their invitation email stated that if you couldn’t make the allotted time slot, they wouldn’t offer an alternative due to the volume of applications. It was -3°C that morning, and we had to wait outside for 15 minutes before our slot. DS needed to use the bathroom, which seemed to annoy the teacher. She led us to a WC in an exasperated manner, and by the time we returned, most of the kids had already gone inside except 2 boys who were crying and were reluctant to go inside.
The teacher quickly took DS by the hand and led him in without allowing him to say goodbye, which made me nervous. To be fair, they had mentioned in their open house that they prefer to separate kids from parents quickly to avoid prolonged goodbyes. I stayed around for 5–7 minutes and was assured by the teacher at the door that DS had settled in well and did not cry at all.
However, 15 minutes later, I received a call saying he was crying and needed to be picked up. When I arrived, 3 minutes later, I found DS and another boy sitting with a teacher who was reading them a story. They both looked upset but weren’t crying. Although DS agreed to go back in, the teacher refused, saying there was no point as he was “not following instructions”. The other boy’s mother told me that the two kids who were crying in the beginning were never let in.
We emailed the school asking for another chance (though I knew it was unlikely), but they didn’t respond.

Finally, we had The Hall. By this time, DS had started to adjust to the idea of going to new schools for “playdates.” He didn’t cry or resist, but he was still too nervous to greet the teachers or introduce himself like some of the other kids. He spent the entire time inside and came out happy.
Surprisingly, we received a rejection the very next day, even though their assessment period isn’t complete—I know a child who is 8 months older than DS has their assessment on January 25th. I had assumed they assessed older kids first, so I was confused by the timing as well. That said, the school was very sweet, and their email invite included a video explaining the process and showing the classroom, which helped DS feel prepared. While I was disappointed, I don’t have any complaints about their process.

I’m not overly worried, as DS already has places in two good schools—one that doesn’t assess kids and another that does but also accepts kids with the right connections (as do all these schools BTW). Given my and DH’s backgrounds, I’m confident DS will excel in STEM, regardless of which school he attends.

That said, I feel this entire process is unnecessary. While I understand that these schools are oversubscribed and need a way to filter applicants, a lottery system could achieve the same result without the stress. In fact, it would also reduce the burden on schools to manage such a cumbersome process. Moreover, no one could argue that a lottery system is less transparent than the current process, especially since schools neither provide feedback nor have the resources to do so.

In addition, to go through this process again at 7+ and 11+ seems excessive. It might be justified if UK education system consistently produced the best talent globally, but in my experience, Oxbridge graduates don’t compare as well to their counterparts from India, China, the US, or even Europe atleast in STEM fields.

Another observation: schools claim to support bilingual kids and those who cry or need time to adjust. However, this doesn’t align with reality. They’re oversubscribed and lack the patience or resources to make real accommodations. Parents who’ve been through this process before often switch to speaking only English at home to improve their child’s chances, which speaks volumes.

The purpose of this rant is to:
(a) Make myself feel better 😉
(b) Reassure other parents of “rejected” kids that they’re not alone
(c) Provide insight for parents yet to go through this process
(d) Encourage everyone to reflect on this system and evaluate their choices
I don’t expect parents to stop aspiring for these schools (nor will I), but I hope this offers some perspective on the outcomes of this process.

Reallyareyoukiddingme · 20/01/2025 05:50

@notatigermom that’s a really interesting post and I think will be useful for a lot of parents about to undergo the process.

‘I’m not overly worried, as DS already has places in two good schools—one that doesn’t assess kids and another that does but also accepts kids with the right connections (as do all these schools BTW)’

I’m confused by the above, what do you mean by right connections? I don’t know about the Hall but the other two schools you mention (especially Highgate) are very well known for scrupulous fairness in taking children on merit and not on familial connections. There’s an excellent example of this in my DD’s year which I’d love to recount but would be too outing 😁 Trust me that connections don’t help!

‘Another observation: schools claim to support bilingual kids and those who cry or need time to adjust. However, this doesn’t align with reality. They’re oversubscribed and lack the patience or resources to make real accommodations.’

this seems unfair as you’ve described three schools, one of which seemed to make huge efforts to help children adjust and one that certainly made some efforts! My experience of Highgate is that more than a third of the class are bilingual with a couple of those trilingual. I think the idea that children who settle quicker are more likely to be offered a place is certainly correct but that’s not unreasonable as it demonstrates maturity and flexibility, both of which would help in future learning. Saying that I know a few parents whose children were very upset at the start of assessments and still got offered places, so it’s not definitive.

‘That said, I feel this entire process is unnecessary. While I understand that these schools are oversubscribed and need a way to filter applicants, a lottery system could achieve the same result without the stress. In fact, it would also reduce the burden on schools to manage such a cumbersome process. Moreover, no one could argue that a lottery system is less transparent than the current process, especially since schools neither provide feedback nor have the resources to do so.’

I think the trouble is that these schools are always going to be popular. How would a lottery system work? Would it prioritise siblings? Those who lived closer? Would it over-offer to make up for those who didn’t select to take up the places? The schools feel very strongly that they are able to identify the strongest candidates at the age of 3….while I agree that seems unlikely, they wouldn’t do it if the results weren’t borne out later in the school.

I wish you and your son the best at whatever school you choose in the future.

Nishmum · 20/01/2025 06:16

@notatigermom
May I ask which ones are the schools you are referring to here? We are in the same boat, my DD is June born, is smart but takes time to adjust in new environments. I dont have much hope from the overly subscribed schools so also looking for some good schools like the ones you mentioned.

I’m not overly worried, as DS already has places in two good schools—one that doesn’t assess kids and another that does but also accepts kids with the right connections (as do all these schools BTW)

Skoolview · 20/01/2025 06:39

@tps123 re NLCS… Yes, we did it. Our small one was in for 10 mins longer which makes us think she hadn’t quite achieved the tasks and they were giving her a little more time. She did come out smiling as with all the assessments but was less able/ willing to tell what they did. I feel like it was the least successful for her in her own mind, of the schools though she has always asserted she likes the school best! (yes, I am aware of how ridiculous that sounds to say of a four year old, and we haven’t put any pressure on her; and no we didn’t prep at all, but they catch on to what it’s all about nonetheless) x

YellowBathView · 20/01/2025 08:04

@notatigermom you have pretty much summed up my feelings from the process. Although our DD is very confident and was usually the first one to leave with the teachers, I still observe other kids and how the teachers treated them. I must say I really hated Highgate as they were not trying at all and sent two kids home as “they were too upset”. And although I don’t love the idea of lottery I do agree there must be a way to make them less stressful for parents and complex for the schools to run ( and that’s mainly for the sake of our 3 (!) years olds).

Well done to you and your son for pushing through! It surely felt like a huge achievement to go through all the assessments in the past 3 weeks!

Shoobidowhop · 20/01/2025 09:27

That is an uncomfortable read @notatigermom I'm sorry to read about some of these experiences, especially UCS, and think its good to share these. I've no doubt your DS will thrive in whatever school they end up.

No skin in the game here as I read this thread just out of interest as mine joins an independent school up north for reception this year and admissions are very low key.

mumof2northwestlondon · 20/01/2025 09:48

@notatigermom thanks so much for sharing this and sorry it did not work out. The system is far from perfect
I am surprised someone at the hall has the assessment so late in the month as they already sent the results out

Lookingtomoveperhaps · 20/01/2025 10:46

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BubbleTe · 20/01/2025 11:14

@notatigermom The Hall assessments next Wed are for an occasional spot in Y1 (ie this year’s Reception).

shar90 · 20/01/2025 11:51

M DD is a end of june born and sat for 4 assessments in the week of 6th Jan of which she dint get into the first round in NLCS but was in the room the longest for over one hour while majority (70-%) of the girls were sent out post 30 mins. I had thought at that time it would be a good thing considering the ratio but wasnt I guess in the end.
I am feeling guilty and heartbroken of having put her through this , all the assessments were on the coldest week of the year with her facing snowfall rain what not.
Does any one have any suggestions on non competetive independent schools that have good results?

tps123 · 20/01/2025 12:52

I agree it's such a horrible and stressful process. Some schools are really warm in their process and others are quite cold.
We did a variety of schools and found each one a different experience.
It's disheartening when they don't get in especially when feedback isn't given!
Fingers crossed for everyone.

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