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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Orangecake123 · 29/02/2020 08:48

I would bring it forward too, if i risked losing that much money.

VivaLeBeaver · 29/02/2020 08:53

Local shop which normally has a good stock of paracetamol, ibuprofen, etc is all out.

echobench · 29/02/2020 09:07

I would bring it forward @wellididntseethatcoming

eeeyoresmiles · 29/02/2020 11:09

I wouldn't bring a party forward. I think it's probably too late for that and many of the parents will already be worried enough that they will hate the thought of a soft-play visit in the next couple of weeks.

I would leave it, and who knows, by April maybe it will be clearer where local outbreaks are and aren't and what to do about it. Yes, maybe there won't be a party at all, but your dd won't be the only person that happens to and she will cope.

SharpieInThe · 29/02/2020 11:32

Had a tiny bit extra budget.

Went to aldi and filled two fruit bowls and a shelf in the fridge with fruits and berries.

The Super 6 was mostly fruits this week (oranges, apples, bananas and pineapples). Got melon, pears, strawberries, grapes and blueberries too.

Letting the kids eat their fill. Going to try and keep it topped up so if it comes here we can have a week of plentiful fresh before the frozen and tinned.

£14 and it filled a huge bag.

AmelieTaylor · 29/02/2020 13:10

@wellididntseethatcoming

I have a birthday party booked in a big soft play for the middle of April

In terms of this virus, that’s still a long way off.

Paid upfront £250 I won't get back

Well you might. They might have to cancel
all parties & issue refunds - we just don’t know yet. It might also be worth phoning them next week to a) see if they’re considering refunds for parties. B) what vacancies they have to bring it forward. No point in debating it with DH and fretting about what to do, if it’s not an option anyway

I said to dh this morning we should bring it forward to next week or the week after because the shit will have hit the fan by then and she won't get a birthday party anyway

I guess it depends on the type of people you’ve invited. Some will decline anyway - but loads of people are still ‘virus, it’s a cold FFS’ so think about the type of people you’ve invited’ and some of us in between. I’d let a child 4+ go to a party this weekend I think I’d go and apply hand sanitizer.

He doesn't want to, doesn't want to confuse her and doesn't want to think about it

I suspect ‘confuse her’ is bullshit for making this about her when it’s entirely down to his

Denial or laziness or whatever.

She’s a relatively young child - they’ll swallow pretty much any
Nonsense you tell them if you do it convincingly 🤣. You could tell her lots of friends can’t come on the other day or the place doesn’t have any space for parties that day or whatever.

Having a ‘birthday party’ on a different day isn’t changing her Birthday - she can celebrate twice 🤷🏻‍♀️ Which she was probably going to do anyway as must kids don’t have the party on the actual day!

I know it's trivial but any advice or opinions?

It’s your DD’s birthday. It’s important to her & you. Granted it’s not up there with ‘will this virus wipe us all out’ - but until it does...life goes on. There are going to be a lot of adjustments to make & we are all going to have to navigate our way through that and being able to freely discuss the Trivial, but important to us stuff is, & will be, important.

Personally, I’ve always liked soft play places. I think I’ve been lucky where I’ve lived they’re not the hell holes I’ve seen described on here. Sure none of them are sterile, but you know neither are nurseries/preschool/school etc 🤷🏻‍♀️

I wouldn’t take a baby or toddler to one now, but a 4+ I’d let go to a party - I think. I wouldn’t take any of them just for a play, but a friends party - probably.

Having said that, if it was our party I’d be changing it to an ‘at home’ party, I’d try to get the money back, but I’d do it anyway. It doesn’t need to cost a lot. It really doesn’t.

I presume your DH isn’t on board with prepping etc either? How’s he doing with hand washing and making sure DD does etc? It must be very hard to live with someone (as many in here appear to be) who are not on the same page -whatever that page is!

🌷

FelicityFebruary · 29/02/2020 16:19

Our shops looked normal today tbh. Just out of those little sanitizers and a line of alcohol hand wipes.

I did notice empty spaces on a shelf for sure to quit smoking and wondered if this scare had prompted some to try give up! Most likely just coincidence.

We have had no diagnosed cases round here.

FelicityFebruary · 29/02/2020 16:23

Ha! Everyone has left..

HasaDigaEebowai · 29/02/2020 16:26

we're all on thread 8 Wink

Snowdropdelight · 29/02/2020 16:27

Patricia I would be tempted to buy one if covid rated rise in UK and hospitals can't cope and don't have equipment...

PatriciaBateman · 29/02/2020 20:37

Snowdropdelight I agree, but I wouldn't suggest anyone do this unless they were confident with what they are doing (I appreciate some people will be). Would just hate to recommend a course of action that may end up actually hurting people rather than helping.

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