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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 22:33

@penguinsonaslide

You can get a sore throat with the mild version so maybe strepsils or something similar?

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Effieray · 28/02/2020 22:43

@pancakefiend

I have bad asthma and last time I caught the flu I ended up on oxygen in hospital. So as part of my preps I have brought a nebuliser on Amazon:
OMRON C102 Total 2-in-1 Nebuliser with Nasal Shower
Plus 2 boxes of solution to use with it:
Isotonic 0.9% Sodium Chloride NaCl Inhalation Saline Solution humidifying Airway - 20 X 2.5ml Unit-dose vials

Plus an oxygen machine:
TOPQSC Portable Oxygen Concentrator Generator 1-6L/min Oxygen Machine

To be honest, purchasing the oxygen machine was OTT and I regret it now... but - as us Preppers say - its best to be prepared and have something you don't need than need something and don't have it.

Snowdropdelight · 28/02/2020 22:50

Nebuliser was mentioned on thread below about shopping.

Re camel up, we have that and enjoy it, how does King of Tokyo compare?

Snowdropdelight · 28/02/2020 22:54

Op thank you re hand gel

Duckyneedsaclean · 28/02/2020 23:03

@Snowdropdelight it's decent, a bit more competitive - you're fighting each other essentially - but still exciting and fun for kids & adults.

PancakeFiend · 28/02/2020 23:08

Thank you @Effieray
I don’t blame you, it can’t have been nice having to rely on oxygen when you were last ill. My dd has had to have oxygen a few times but not for a few years (touch wood) so hoping she’s grown out of the worst of it. If I could afford the oxygen machine I would’ve got it though just for peace of mind.

SunshineCake · 28/02/2020 23:08

Place marking to remind me to read all seven threads. I'm worried. DH recently had a heart attack, DD has underlying health issues which few doctors ever understand and I have bad asthma at the moment. I'm already feeling poorly and worried I might not realise I have it. Stupid I know especially as not knowingly been in close contact with anyone with it but then I'm not sure how I would know.

House full of kids and animals. Feel like I don't know where to start.

Gammeldragz · 28/02/2020 23:20

@penguinsonaslide we have almost identical prep cupboards! Even down to quantities. I don't have Pom Bears though (mumsnet fail).

CrapTVAddict · 28/02/2020 23:29

Are the portable oxygen canister type things worth getting if you can't afford the machine? They are about £17. How long would that last do you think?

Effieray · 28/02/2020 23:39

@craptbaddict

I did look into buying a portable oxygen container first.

But they're not very long lasting as this seller on Amazon states:
15 litres will last for at least 100 two-second breaths. If used continuously, the can will not last 15 minutes. To make the most of the product, we would advise that you depress the button while breathing in, and release it while breathing out.

It may be better than nothing though; as an asthmatic I knew I needed something more powerful.

Legoandloldolls · 28/02/2020 23:45

Oxygen is extremely flammable / explosive. Maybe not a safe idea. If you have phenomena then the tiny surfaces in the lungs are compromised as to how much cow, o2 they can transfer. 15 minutes would only bide time for a ambulance at best

wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 23:49

Just a reminder of the link to the next thread before I go to bed

Prepping for a pandemic....8 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3835362-prepping-for-a-pandemic-8

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Grandmi · 28/02/2020 23:54

TBH I looked at this thread out of interest...people on this thread are the the reason why people are panic buying !!! Calm down and stop causing hysteria!! There are so many parents who cannot afford to buy more milk and nappies for just in case !!!

wheresmymojo · 29/02/2020 00:00

Again, why is preparing for a pandemic hysterical when there is a pandemic unfolding? Hmm

Most of us on these threads have finished our preparing since we started weeks ago specifically so we didn't join the panic buyers...

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Honorah · 29/02/2020 00:05

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echobench · 29/02/2020 00:21

I don’t see how we are causing hysteria. My nice cupboard full of tinned goods is giving me a warm feeling.

Grandmi · 29/02/2020 00:29

Sorry but people are definitely being very irresponsible with their comments...honorah..apologies for using too many exclamation marks 😂!Just be very careful with the O2 and nebulisers ...too muchO2 can be a problem for people with COPD or any kind of chronic lung disease…am trying to be responsible with my advice.

Grandmi · 29/02/2020 00:32

echobench...good for you ...night night 😊

Neome · 29/02/2020 01:43

Hi Grandmi if you looked at this thread (but not all the previous ones) you wouldn’t necessarily have picked up the number of people here who have long term health conditions, disabilities, complex caring responsibilities and children with additional needs or, for example, immunosuppression.

Acting in a panic tends to mean doing something impulsive without a plan so, for example, rushing out and buying masses of bread you haven’t got room to freeze or buying huge expensive quantities of long life food just in case, food you don’t necessarily particularly like.

Prepping tends to be more long term, planned and thought through. For example, I might think that if my child, who has additional needs, goes through another period of extreme sleep disturbances I’ll need to get as much daytime rest as I can to recover. I might want to have the easiest possible meals on hand, taking account of their food issues and my need for nutrition. If not we could be living on chocolate biscuits for days!

Some schools have closed for a period due to this virus and as my child can’t cope with supermarkets very well I’d rather minimise my need to go food shopping if this happened to us.

Tins and packets are designed to have a long shelf life. Surely it’s a rational decision to shop with this in mind unless your storage space and budget means you have to eat everything you buy within a few days of purchase.

I think your comment about nebulisers and oxygen is the epitome of why these threads make sense and reduce panic. Person A says would this or that item be a good idea, person B says there are safety issues it’s not necessarily a good plan. Result less panic, more rational preparedness.

Welcome to mutually supportive prepping and collective rational decision making 🙂

Neome · 29/02/2020 01:48

By the way, just out of curiosity, nebulisers don’t concentrate oxygen do they? My elderly relative has one at home for COPD, I have never really thought about exactly what it’s doing but now I want to know!

PatriciaBateman · 29/02/2020 04:16

Nebulisers don't concentrate oxygen no, and don't deliver any oxygen unless they are hooked up to an oxygen supply (usually home versions just operate on air).

They are used to deliver a mist - either of a drug (like salbutamol - used in blue inhalers), or sometimes just saline (for moisture), to help with breathing.

PatriciaBateman · 29/02/2020 04:19

Just to add that personally, I wouldn't recommend anyone using nebulisers at home at all, unless it is part of a medically-supervised treatment they already have set up.

They do have the potential to cause harm, even serious harm, especially when you start introducing things like oxygen or should-be-prescribed drugs.

Twixes · 29/02/2020 07:11

Again veering into the medical-and-not-qualified-to-use are sputum aspirators. This article here says they helped reduce deaths:

www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

reallynow1 · 29/02/2020 08:26

Just spent this morning reading this thread. I have never really felt like prepping until coronavirus. I'm slowly stocking up my freezer and cupboards with a little extra each shop and will continue to do so.

wellididntseethatcoming · 29/02/2020 08:38

I have a birthday party booked in a big soft play for the middle of April. Paid upfront £250 I won't get back.
I said to dh this morning we should bring it forward to next week or the week after because the shit will have hit the fan by then and she won't get a birthday party anyway.
He doesn't want to, doesn't want to confuse her and doesn't want to think about it.
I know it's trivial but any advice or opinions?

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