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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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SubordinateThatClause · 26/02/2020 21:34

Thank you!!!!!!

JiltedJohnsJulie · 26/02/2020 21:34

Forgot to say that I’ve also managed to get my DM to get in a couple of weeks worth of food. She lives in a retirement village in another city from us so at least now I know she can manage for a couple of weeks if she can’t leave her home. Also useful if there’s snow I suppose, as long as she replenishes her stock.

Destinysdaughter · 26/02/2020 21:37

Jack Monroe has got a cook book using tinned ingredients. I have not read myself but may be worth a look?

www.amazon.co.uk/Tin-Can-Cook-Store-cupboard-Recipes/dp/1529015286/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=jack+monroe&sprefix=jack+&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1582752911&sr=8-2

Destinysdaughter · 26/02/2020 21:38

Something else, since it's nearly spring, start thinking about growing herbs, even if you don't have a garden, you can buy seeds and grow them on your windowsill. Fresh herbs can really spruce up recipes.

Newyearsameoldme2020 · 26/02/2020 21:45

Hi all, joining the thread here.
Some great tips here, I will put in a big shopping order in the morning and get stocked up on what I can

SubordinateThatClause · 26/02/2020 21:46

What's the fridge life for things like Philadelphia?

FecktheBoss · 26/02/2020 21:50

Dont know if it's just me, but feels like its ramped up over the last day or two

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 21:51

I agree Feck

tryingtoprep · 26/02/2020 21:52

The threads are moving fast! Just been trying to catch up in this and the one in AIBU.

Thank you @wheresmymojo for the new thread. Gorgeous dog! Thank you also @ofwarren for the updates.

Those scoffing at preppers. I've always tried to prep (hence my username). I eased up a few years ago because of tight finances and limited space. Ended up regretting it when I injured my back whilst DP was away. Another time, there was a leak in our road. We were lucky. No water but only for a few hours. I always have some bottled water kept at home now. It's simply sensible to be prepared for unplanned emergencies.

Sterristripoff · 26/02/2020 21:53

I’m spending the day (and night) in hospital after suddenly fainting in work. DH was able to grab the go bag and now I have things like lip balm, sweets, a phone charger and a book. All non essentials that he would otherwise have forgotten so it has already proven useful!

Valkarie · 26/02/2020 21:58

@FecktheBoss I think it's the combo of Italy and half term. Suddenly there is more than just the off European case, so it is a lot closer to home. People in the UK are being sent home from work to self-isolate.

fearnotsnot · 26/02/2020 22:02

@Legoandloldolls
Honestly, I'd have to have buried the chocolate 6ft under in the garden for me not to be bothered retrieving it in a frenzied moment of failed willpower.

@Destinysdaughter ah what a good idea I shall edit my Tesco order to include some more flour and cocoa powder 🤪

I've also ordered some follow on formula for the baby, incase I get really ill and can't continue breastfeeding. She is nearly 6months. She won't take anything from a bottle but I have a doidy cup for her.

CocoaLipbalm · 26/02/2020 22:02

I’ve been following these threads since the beginning, but held off ordering anything more than the odd additional tinned food because we’re due to move house next week and I wanted to avoid having to transfer everything!

However, as things have clearly taken a serious turn in the UK’s direction this week, I’ve just booked a grocery slot and added tinned goods, toilet rolls, long life products, etc.

Once we’ve moved and we know how much freezer and refrigerator space we have, I’ll order more.

Fortunately, we’re moving from an apartment to a detached property - thus dramatically reducing our exposure to the great unwashed!

Both teenage DD and I are immune suppressed, with several significant health conditions, but can easily isolate ourselves if we need to.

DH on the other hand is a front line police officer 🤔. I fear DD and I may end up hibernating in one part of our new home, keeping poor DH safely contained in the other! Fortunately, we’ll have two bathrooms!

I’ve been more ‘watch and be mindful’ about it all up until now, but am beginning to feel it’s like watching a storm approaching - inevitable and far better to prepare, than react after it’s struck.

Oliphantitus · 26/02/2020 22:03

Can anyone remind me of the tasty pancake mix from Amazon? I have been searching the other threads but no joy- am useless! I have three small packets from Sainsbury's.

FelicityFebruary · 26/02/2020 22:03

Sterristripoff hope you are ok!

CocoaLipbalm · 26/02/2020 22:03

Get well soon @Sterristripoff

*off to pack go bags, JIC

fearnotsnot · 26/02/2020 22:05

I also sent DH out this evening to pick up a chest freezer, it's only a 60L but should accommodate a lot more than our current shit freezer compartment.

FelicityFebruary · 26/02/2020 22:06

Krusteaz perhaps?

I've stuck to Aunt Betty's!

Destinysdaughter · 26/02/2020 22:06

Sorry I posted about garlic etc on other thread as this one was full. Just so you know I wasn't scaremongering, here's a link.
www.ft.com/content/13279530-57d0-11ea-abe5-8e03987b7b20

fearnotsnot · 26/02/2020 22:06

@CocoaLipbalm agree far better to try and prepare for the worst case scenario than be taken by surprise and be totally sausaged.

It does feel like watching a storm approach now.

FecktheBoss · 26/02/2020 22:08

valkarie I think it's that and that the gov/PHE message feels different as well, not as laid back as it was. Not sure if that makes sense.

JustMeAndMyTins · 26/02/2020 22:10

krusteaz pancake mix is the one everyone was talking about in earlier threads Smile

MotherOfDragonite · 26/02/2020 22:13

Checking in.

FYI, fellow newbies, the bag of Krusteaz pancake mix is GINORMOUS (technical term). I feel we will definitely survive the zombie apocalypse and put on a few pounds in the process. Don't forget to pick up syrup to go with it!

Sterristripoff · 26/02/2020 22:13

I’m fine thanks CocoaLipbalm & FelicityFebruary just awaiting more tests in the morning.

I have of course been side eyeing every coughing patient, wondering how likely it is that they have the virus!

nellodee · 26/02/2020 22:15

Having tested the Krusteaz this weekend, I'm not sure its big enough,

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