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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 20:44

@LittleSwede

Not my dog sadly, I wish he was!

He is a friend's dog - Mum is Belgian and Dad is GSD.

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SharpieInThe · 26/02/2020 20:46

Thank you for the thread @wheresmymojo

Your emotional prep thread is lovely @Neome.

highlandyak · 26/02/2020 20:50

I've decided to buy some tubes of ready to go stuff just in case and I might plant some garlic in the garden. It takes 9 months for garlic to grow apparently but covid could easily effect supply chains for a significant amount of time. I don't think I could live without garlic!
I buy a heap whenever it's on offer and chop it up and freeze it, so I'm good for garlic! I'm another one that couldn't live without it!

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 20:54

Romania confirms first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

AvocadoOwl · 26/02/2020 21:00

Most varieties of garlic that will grow successfully in our climate need planting around November time really.

I think there are a few types that can be planted in spring, you'd want to get those if you plan to plan now. Randomly planting supermarket cloves probably won't yield much (especially if they have been grown in warmer climates).

My grandfather is very into garlic growing and sends me cloves from the different bulbs he buys to plant each year Smile

BrokenBrit · 26/02/2020 21:05

Pmk. Thanks for the new thread.Flowers

MissusMaker · 26/02/2020 21:06

Thanks for the new thread. Today I topped up my stash with more Idahoan Potatoes after a successful test, and more corned beef to go with. I also got more flour and eggs. Plus batteries. Feel like we are set around 3 weeks now and I need to switch my priorities to stock rotation.

AmelieTaylor · 26/02/2020 21:07

Hello all 😊

@wheresmymojo. He’s gorgeous! Hope your friend has a garden if we end up ‘staying in’. Bing dog, big 💩 🤣

@Twixes. I bought a big container of garlic (fresh, very finely chopped, I think it’s in oil) from Costco today, really cheap.

@KaptenKrusty
@Runmybathforme

Yeah completely bonkers! It’s total lunacy to have food in the house & be prepared with OTC meds’. Completely barmy. I mean people in the U.K. never panic buy when there’s a quarter inch of snow or a bit of sunshine..

Honestly did either of you two see how quickly the shelves were stripped in Italy?

Twixes · 26/02/2020 21:08

Argh, that's a shame, so too late @AvocadoOwl, I'd say home grown garlic is delish.

RhubarbTea · 26/02/2020 21:12

Checking in, thanks for the new thread! That last one filled up quickly Shock

AvocadoOwl · 26/02/2020 21:15

@Twixes just had a look and The Garlic Farm have spring planting seed bulbs available online. I'm sure there are lots out there, you just need to pick a variety that doesn't require a lot of cold over winter to get growing www.thegarlicfarm.co.uk/product/spring-planting-pack-x-4-bulbs

fearnotsnot · 26/02/2020 21:15

I feel like I should get treats in for the stash but honestly would find it really hard not to just chomp my way through ASAP - struggling sugar addict 🤷🏻‍♀️ guess I'll be forced to go cold turkey when this thing hits.

AmelieTaylor · 26/02/2020 21:15

tooth filling stuff. Has anyone ever used any? Interested in how successful it was and how ‘do able’ it is? Somewhat worried I’d trap bacteria in the hole & make the situation worse

solar phone charger/non mains radio/wind up torches etc. Any recommendations? Our wind up torch is a nightmare..

sideorderofchips · 26/02/2020 21:22

Yep total lunacy to be prepared for worst case scenario. Because I so want to be trying to shop when people start panic buying...

Legoandloldolls · 26/02/2020 21:23

I have hidden the chocolate in a place that I cant arsed to dig it out from. That's one answer!

Yes any recommendations for a good solar power bank? I bought off Ebay and its truly crap.

I think it might snow soon to. I hope my chocolate makes it through the week.

SubordinateThatClause · 26/02/2020 21:24

Lurker here... I have no freezer but have begun collecting stuff together in the shed:

Tins of veg, beans, soup and fish
Olive oil
Loo roll
Cereals
Long life milk and juices
Onions & bakers

I'm a bit worried about proteins and bread - any recommendations of things that don't need refrigeration?
Thanks

EliK · 26/02/2020 21:26

We have snow! Don't think it'll last long so my stash is safe for now. The treats are tempting, I've got a few Easter eggs hidden away.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 26/02/2020 21:28

@Runmybathforme

If you’re going to insult us, at least try and spell your insults correctly.

LittleSwede · 26/02/2020 21:29

wheresmymojo he is lovely. We used to gave a rescue dog which was probably similar cross, a very fluffy girl she was!

Back to prepping, DH bought some German rye bread from Lidl, which usually has a very long shelf life. Unfortunately this one is a best before 11th March. Hoping it will keep a bit longer than that.

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 21:29

@SubordinateThatClause

Ideas for protein:

  • Kidney and black beans (can form the basis of a veggie chilli with tinned tomatoes)
  • Halloumi and feta cheese have a long life
  • Tinned tuna and salmon
  • Canned or jars of hot dogs
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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 21:29

Also cured meats like chorizo

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JiltedJohnsJulie · 26/02/2020 21:30

Thank you for the threads so far. I think I’ve been a bit in denial and only started reading around thread 5. Today I’ve bought more tampons and towels as I don’t want to be I quarantine without them and DD wouldn’t be impressed with using old towels, come to think of it neither would I...

My biggest concern is the toilet. We only have one. Luckily it’s separate from the bathroom so there should be less area for the germs to cover but was just wondering if anyone has done anything regarding back up toilets? I’m just thinking that if 4 of us have Convid and need the toilet constantly, it’s not really going to work with one toilet. I’ve seen one video where the patients lucky enough to get treatment are being put in nappies.

Lumene · 26/02/2020 21:30

I'm a bit worried about proteins and bread - any recommendations of things that don't need refrigeration?

Beans are good for protein. Canned tuna or sardines. Bread mix or flour and yeast to make own bread. Crackers/breadsticks.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 26/02/2020 21:32

Also check the dates on vacuum packed wraps. Some are ok for weeks to months.

Destinysdaughter · 26/02/2020 21:32

Don't know if this is helpful but if you're worried about chomping on sweet treats now, what about getting in the ingredients for nice things, to make cakes, puds etc?

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