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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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AvocadoOwl · 20/02/2020 15:50

Thanks mojo 👍

wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:52

Three new cases in Iran so now = 5

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HasaDigaEebowai · 20/02/2020 15:52

checking in

wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:53

I mean families in Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc having to potentially deal with this on top of everything else Sad

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EagleVisionSquirrelWork · 20/02/2020 15:57

Hello. Thanks mojo.

wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 16:01

Good news for the UK

I'll be honest I haven't read this word for word but it seems to me to basically be saying that we aren't seeing any more cases of flu or pneumonia than we would expect at this time of year...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/867172/Weeklyynationalinfluenzaareportweekk82020.pdf

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ofwarren · 20/02/2020 16:02

Just checking in

RhubarbTea · 20/02/2020 16:05

Hello, checking in

OhYouBadBadKitten · 20/02/2020 16:05

It's interesting that I live in a region with a bit of an uptick in ILI because locally I know of several people who say they have flu.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/02/2020 16:17

thank you... I have been getting anxious... just in case thread four filled up before you started thread five.. Blush

sorry.

anxiety: different people cope with things in different ways. there will be different styles of posting, some more pessamistic than others, but overall the thread is fairly balanced. there are a handful of its just flu posters and the occasional we are all going to die post. usually these are met with explanation of why each one is not so and back to the middle we move.

I know that I get more concerned when there is bad news, but ccalm down reading the thread.

preponderings · 20/02/2020 16:23

Thanks mojo

Givemeabreakpls · 20/02/2020 16:23

Hi, checking in. Thanks so much for these informative threads. Being even a little prepared is helping me manage anxiety.

MissusMaker · 20/02/2020 16:25

Checking in also. How are the other 'new' preppers feeling now? I'm starting to feel more relaxed about the whole thing; I'm glad I've got my little stash of food and meds, and I will keep that topped up for now but with no new British cases for almost a week now I am starting to feel calm about the possibility of a UK outbreak.

EmmaNumberThree · 20/02/2020 16:25

Placemarking

ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 20/02/2020 16:30

Thank you for starting the thread.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 20/02/2020 16:33

Checking in, thanks mojo

NotYourTypicalNerd · 20/02/2020 16:33

It is interesting. Maybe because I feel prepped (although the rate dh is going through the mushy peas is a concern Hmm ) but I am a lot more relaxed now. We haven't seen it hit here - yet? and the videos from the CMO make me feel like perhaps we are ready (ish).

KundaliniRising · 20/02/2020 16:37

Thank you mojo for the updates
Flowers

PinkGinAndTacos · 20/02/2020 16:44

Ooooh thread 5!

wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 16:44

It looks like (fingers crossed for another week or so) containment has worked here.

Don't know if I'm being optimistic...the London bus conference was on 6th Feb. I can't remember if she went to the hospital the next day(?) but it's 14 days from the conference today.

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TankGirl97 · 20/02/2020 16:46

I'm checking in too, not posted since thread 1.

I've stocked up on some food and am doing extra batch cooking, in case I'm ill at the same time as dh and/or kids. I've not bought masks but we do have good quality DIY masks with ventilators. I'm assuming they still wouldn't be beneficial?

I must say I'm less concerned than I was a couple weeks ago, I guess just because I've got my head around prep I feel it necessary to do at this stage.

These threads are so useful.

wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 16:48

Experts are still tending towards saying its more a case of 'when' it spreads here than 'if' though.

The more countries that have local epidemics, the lower the chance we can contain it here successfully.

China is good news but they've had to do drastic things to achieve it. I think it's a bit early to think it's over yet as at some point they're going to lift the lockdowns.

I think we'll be in a situation of uncertainty for some time yet but I'm still erring on thinking it will spread here eventually.

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 16:54

...also to be fair the Govt have tested c5,500 people.

The US on the other hand have tested 500 despite having more cases (15).

So I have more trust that we are on top of things than the US right now.

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tryingtoprep · 20/02/2020 16:58

Thanks for the new thread. I agree that these threads have been so useful and really helped with anxiety over this.

Glad to read the Scion masks are being sent out. I've had a while you were out card. Thought it was something else I'd ordered but perhaps it's the masks.

Still concerned, especially for elderly relatives, but can only hope for the best. At least we have had some time to prepare.

HighlandYak · 20/02/2020 17:15

Placemarking Grin