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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 11:10

Israel just confirmed their first case (cruise passenger, presumably DP).

FelicityFebruary · 21/02/2020 11:10

People are so different in their responses. I do best if I have a plan (however meagre!) in place and I like to chat about it.

My dp always dislikes "negative" talk. Appears calm BUT I have learned over many years can be furiously thinking things through below the surface. He is also then quite comfortable if shtf and can really act quickly while I'm in a flap frankly.

I sometimes steer us away from problems that just haven't come up on his radar. And the flip side is I have worried needlessly about things that never came to pass..

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 11:16

A couple of things that are concerning about the Milan cases:

  • The guy in ICU caught it during dinner with his friend who had been to China for work.

This dinner was 16-18 days before he got any symptoms. So again, 14 days quarantine may not be enough.

  • The guy in ICU is 38 and athletic (runner and plays football) with no underlying health issues
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KaterMurr · 21/02/2020 11:17

By the way, does anyone else have money in stocks and shares? I'm slowly selling off and wondering whether to: a) leave some where they are, b) keep all in cash, or c) buy corporate bonds instead?

preponderings · 21/02/2020 11:18

DD is ill with flu right now so I asked DH to pick up some soup cartons (not depleting my stock!) and he came home with two tins of minestrone/veg soup and one carton of cream soup.

DD has a horribly sore throat so doesn't want anything with lumps in as swallowing hurts... Might be worth planning for if you've young and fussy kids.

I know it's the flu and not something that travelled in the parcel from China as she cough spluttered right into my mouth a couple of days ago and I don't seem to have it at all badly. I'm vaccinated.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 11:18

I'm no investment expert so please take this with a health dose of salt but I read somewhere recently that in times of crisis gilts are the best thing to invest in.

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KundaliniRising · 21/02/2020 11:25

I have read that cv19 can be in a persons system for 28 days before symptoms show themselves. Which puts things in a very different light and changes the timelines somewhat.

BlackeyedSusan · 21/02/2020 11:27

Eww grim. Preponderings

dd sneezed right up my left nostril but I did catch her cold

bellinisurge · 21/02/2020 11:35

@KaterMurr , I don't because it's not my thing. Which probably makes me the wrong person to answer. I can see the reason to invest in the stock market. I have American cousins that do prudently and are all about the long game.
I'm a strictly rubbish rate savings, ordinary account , a bit more cash at home just in case kind of person.

Parker231 · 21/02/2020 11:48

Poor people - still delayed getting home.

“The Diamond Princess cruise ship - quarantined in Japan due to coronavirus
An evacuation flight for Britons trapped on a coronavirus-hit cruise ship in Japan has been delayed by a day, the British embassy has said.

About 70 UK nationals who have spent 16 days in quarantine on the liner had expected to fly home on Friday.

But the flight is "logistically complicated" and will now leave on Saturday, the embassy says.

The group are expected to land in Wiltshire before being quarantined at Arrowe Park Hospital in Wirral.”

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 11:54

Italy has reported more cases, six so far today...

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 11:56

Surely the WHO have to announce a pandemic now - it's clearly spreading locally in several countries.

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AlohaMolly · 21/02/2020 11:59

Re yoghurt - I blitz it up with banana and other fruit to make ‘ice cream sweeties’ that are basically just drops of the mixture, dotted on to tin foil and frozen, then decanted into a container.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 11:59

7 deaths now in Iran and reporting 13 cases.

Clearly that is incorrect - for 7 deaths they will have anywhere up to 350-700 cases.

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 12:02

^ Actually ignore that...it may not be as many as 7. Apparently there are issues with translating Persian numbers.

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 12:03

Okay...correct numbers here from Reuters:

"Iran's health ministry says 'it is possible' coronavirus exists in all Iranian cities; there are currently 18 confirmed cases, 4 dead - Reuters"

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AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 12:04

Gosh, it's all kicking off now isn't it 😓

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 12:04

South Korea has reported another 100+ cases = 208 total now

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HasaDigaEebowai · 21/02/2020 12:07

500 jail cases in China - reuters

NearlySchoolTimeAgain · 21/02/2020 12:11

The wife of the Italian man is 8 months pregnant.

The manager showed up at the Codogno hospital in the Lodi area where he lives: he is hospitalized in intensive care with respiratory failure and cannot be transferred to the Sacco in Milan. Health authorities are investigating his movements to reconstruct the map of possible infections. Tests on hospital doctors and patients and colleagues in the workplace: the man works for the multinational Unilever in Casalpusterlengo. Two entire towns, Codogno and Castiglione d'Adda, are in quarantine: All citizens of Castiglione d'Adda, Codogno and Casalpusterlengo are invited, as a precaution, to stay in the home environment and to avoid social contacts.

HasaDigaEebowai · 21/02/2020 12:13

Three new italian cases just added to the numbers. Contacts in the same cluster.

echobench · 21/02/2020 12:31

Scion has these available I noticed. I am no expert on what the different types mean.
scionsupply.com/p/lightweight-valved-disposable-face-mask-ffp2-certified-respirator-suitable-for-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR3Ud960P9Nt8DI6O6HS0_0HqjgU9RNrYD6csc5aE20mpu4LtWTVMz5gHzQ

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 12:32

Burning tires and demonstrations in Palestine over a quarantine centre being set up

I honestly didn't expect scenes like these (and from the Ukraine). I wonder how the information has been handled there to trigger such a reaction.

m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Coronavirus-scare-sparks-riot-tire-burning-in-Jericho-618229

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Onmyown1 · 21/02/2020 12:32

I’ve been lurking since the first thread. I do tend to prep much to the amusement of my mom, sister and daughter.
I have a serious medical condition so it makes me feel calmer if I’m ready.
I’m a single mother of 4, only 3 left living at home so am getting prepared for staying at home for a few weeks if needed (food prep already sorted) and can also work from home if required.
I have 4 pf3 masks and also some surgical masks. I’m not sure wether to buy the masks where you just change the filter once a month also or if I’m getting a bit carried away?
Any thoughts as don’t want to spend money unnecessarily.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 12:35

1st case in Lebanon.

Iran now saying: "Based on existing reports, the spread of coronavirus started in Qom [and] has now reached several cities ... including Tehran, Babol, Arak, Isfahan, Rasht and other cities and it's possible that it exists in all cities in Iran" - Reuters

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