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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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TipseyTorvey · 24/02/2020 13:49

Mojo I had exactly the same thoughts about Cummings and Johnson deciding this could work in their favour. He's always fancied a Churchillian moment and in the absence of a war it wouldn't surprise me if they've thought 'how could we turn this to our advantage'. I just spoke to my MIL who isn't prepping in the slightest because she wasn't aware it was a problem and 'anyway I'll just get food from sainsbury online if there's a problem' 🤔. I think the press and the 'nothing to see here narrative' is really concerning.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/02/2020 13:50

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/23/world-is-approaching-coronavirus-tipping-point-experts-say

The world is fast approaching a tipping point in the spread of the coronavirus, according to experts, who warn that the disease is outpacing efforts to contain it

Dyrne · 24/02/2020 13:53

FourTeaFallOut ooh can I employ you as my hand cream fairy? I always forget to put it on and my hands are dry as anything Grin

Thanks to those posting ideas for food etc - I’m pretty well stocked but it would be very boring for a few weeks, so am going to get some more bits tonight.

Choux · 24/02/2020 13:56

@amd4578 I agree with your anecdotal evidence. The week before last I was seeing a couple of people each commute wearing masks on the tube. That was when the york cases and the lewisham Uber patient were in the news. In the last week I haven't seen any.

Italy is overland from France, Germany etc so they have moved up a gear on the interest, fear, panic. The uk has no new non Diamond Princess cases so it's easier to dismiss. A couple of new cases here imported from Italy or elsewhere and the mood will change massively imo.

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 13:56

Do you think we will get our 2pm report on time today?

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 14:10

I guess not! I hope it doesn't take two hours like yesterday!

amd4578 · 24/02/2020 14:11

@Choux Exactly and while many people are moaning that the goverment are not doing anything it is because at the moment there is not really anything to do we have a few cases none of them are really in a cluster so to speak. As it stands i dont think anyone can moan about the response of our government. especially when you look at the likes of Italy or japan or south Korea.

Even in Hubei now the figures or not rising anywhere near like what they were before so as long as the governments act appropriately the talks of killing millions at the moment at least are nonsense and nothing short of scaremongering.

AvocadoOwl · 24/02/2020 14:18

I would be surprised if there aren't further Diamond Princess diagnoses today.

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 14:19

BREAKING: Oman reports first 2 cases of coronavirus in women returning from Iran t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Delatron · 24/02/2020 14:19

I’m just not sure this blase attitude from the government helps really. How many flights are coming in from Italy and other affected areas per day?

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 14:19

The department of health says no more UK cases today

lemonjumper · 24/02/2020 14:19

The 2pm page has been updated now - no change.

Givemeabreakpls · 24/02/2020 14:34

Guardian live blog just posting that a seventh death has occurred in Italy. It’s a bit confused as the subheading says seven but text says six...possibly copy/paste fail as the sixth death was confirmed hours ago.

nibdedibble · 24/02/2020 14:35

Today I bought loads of tissues
a massive thing of medical-grade antibacterial gel (Superdrug had big bins of it)
Cough/throat medicines
Ibuprofen and paracetamol just in case

Felt like I couldn't quite look the Superdrug cashier in the eye as it was obvious I was stocking up Grin

Don't for a second think there's going to be a post-apocalyptic type scenario, just that if we all get it or need to look in on neighbours, best to have some supplies.

The thing about the virus being a lab escape has been categorically disproved, some weeks ago now. It didn't hit the media much thank goodness.

Givemeabreakpls · 24/02/2020 14:35

Definitely a seventh death, the text has been amended.

nibdedibble · 24/02/2020 14:36

Oops sorry, the lab escape thing was @diddl on the other thread.

FourTeaFallOut · 24/02/2020 14:42

Ok, seven dead of 229 cases Hmm S.Korea have x4 cases and only 1 extra death.

What are public health England playing at? Why haven't they expanded the announcement to include visitors from Italy with symptoms?

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 14:58

And we are still not having to declare travel to Italy! This government are a joke.

AvocadoOwl · 24/02/2020 15:03

How are you all feeling this afternoon @VenetoResident? Been thinking about you all lots!

ChocSprinkles18 · 24/02/2020 15:04

Hi everyone, I’ve been lurking since the beginning and have found it very useful for food prep. I haven’t bought masks yet, but think I’m going to buy some this evening. Has anyone come across any FFP 3 grade or above for children? Mine are 2 and 4 so an adult mask would swamp them. We will only use if we have to go to hospital.

My other question was regarding medicine. I’ve got lemsip/Calpol/neurofen/vicks/soothers/rehydraters/general first aid kit etc...
But, is there anything else that you can get over the counter specifically for pneumonia/covid? Will a cool mist humidifier help?

SharpieInThe · 24/02/2020 15:05

Delurking to thank you all for collating all of the information and being such a kind sensible bunch.

I'm officially "ready", even down to some new crafting supplies.

My usual recommendations are stuff to stop kids killing each other (pancake mix and making fudge) but to add Home Bargains do little cake kits for around 79p (Frozen or Minions) and they work well with a frozen egg that had it's yoke popped.

amd4578 · 24/02/2020 15:06

i am currently in the arrivals hall and we currently have flights in from Geneva, Milan, Pisa, Rome, Venice and Genoa all within the next 3 hours. Again whether it is right or wrong until people start to see a huge increase in deaths then most of the public will have a blaze attitude towards it.

If we look at the official figures of around 2% death rate which if we consider how many people will have just had a mild case and maybe not gone to the hospital or someone with no symptoms at all were probably talking at between 1-2% death rate. So the way mr jo public will see this is that you would have to be very unlucky to catch it in the first place [currently 0.1% of Hubuei province has it then you have to be even more lucky again if you would be critically ill from it [15% of that 0.1 are critical] then again after that you are most likely to die if you are old or an underlying condition.

now i know that obviously many more people could get infected than those 0.1% currently but my point is until they do and many more people start to die, to the normal person the chance that this will effect them at all is very minimal and they wont change the way that they behave until the risk of themselves getting infected is much greater.

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 15:07

I haven't seen any kids masks. I'd be interested if you find any!

ChocSprinkles18 · 24/02/2020 15:12

I’ve found n95 masks for children, but not sure if they are good enough?

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 15:17

WHO chief Tedros says not seeing uncontained global spread or large-scale deaths from coronavirus at the moment - Reuters