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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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quirrels · 24/02/2020 15:21

I think I have finally got DH to consider that actually it might be sensible to make some basic preparations. I have shown him my stash and he keeps making "helpful" suggestions. I haven't owned up to the n95 face masks yet though Wink.

We never have visitors other than adult DC. One lives at home and the other 30 minutes away. They are young and healthy and should be fine. DH and I are not and would probably not be fine.
I was mulling over the likelihood of only one person in the house being infected. I doubt it. In which case disinfecting within the home seems like trying to hold back the sea.
I am debating whether to plan for DC to stay put in their flat or jump in the car and come here in case of lock down. We are rural and they live in a city.

Parker231 · 24/02/2020 15:24

I think the NHS has been spot on so far. Quarantine those who could be at risk to themselves or others in Arrowe Park and Milton Keynes and transfer to specialist hospitals those with a positive test result.

DH is a London GP. I asked him whether he was worried. He said no, his concern is patients ignoring advice and turning up at GP’s surgeries or hospital wanting the test for the virus. He said there was no reason to buy masks or additional food.

hibeat · 24/02/2020 15:24

Following. I assume there will be quick scanning put into place for Milano. If not this week in the weeks to come. Italians will be working very hard to stop the epidemic, the economic consequences could be catastrophic.

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 15:30

@Parker321 it took less than 24 hours after a cluster was discovered in Italy for panic buying to begin. It is extremely sensible to get enough food in to not need to go to the shop.

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 15:34

My supplies look a bit dramatic in my tiny kitchen as no storage so it's all on top of cupboards and pasta and rice in wardrobes. It does look a bit dramatic but I dont even have that much. I just cant cope with crowds if a shop was busy.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 24/02/2020 15:37

Is there a reason why the death rate in Italy looks really quite high? Could it be relate to the fact that some of the cases were in hospital already or am I mistaken?

YoursTunbridgeWells · 24/02/2020 15:39

thoughts on www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51612039
Looks like a "keep calm and carry on" piece

lemonjumper · 24/02/2020 15:41

Yes, I think they are only discovering the initial cases by testing people who are already quite ill in hospital. Then they are testing people who have been in close contact with the patients. There are likely many more mild cases in Italy that haven't been discovered yet, that would make the overall death rate much lower.

Duckyneedsaclean · 24/02/2020 15:53

Friend in Milan just sent these. Panic buying in full flow

Prepping for a pandemic....5
Prepping for a pandemic....5
HasaDigaEebowai · 24/02/2020 15:56

@wheresmymojo we need a new thread shortly

Dennisreynoldsduster · 24/02/2020 15:56

Just popped into lidl for some final bits and there’s a definite change in the kind of things people are buying - lots of bulk and lots of non perishable and antibac stuff

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 15:56

Cant see any pics or link?

MissPoldark · 24/02/2020 15:56

I’m very concerned about reports of the first Italian cases (those with links to the 38 year old runner) all being in a serious condition. Read it on FluTracker.

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 15:57

Wow can see now. I'm glad I have some bits.

wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 15:58

Blimey - so we do!

Will be back shortly with a link to a new thread...

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:01

New thread

Prepping for a pandemic...6 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3831729-prepping-for-a-pandemic-6

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eeeyoresmiles · 24/02/2020 16:05

disinfecting within the home seems like trying to hold back the sea

It could still be worth reducing the amount of exposure of each person, even if it's not possible to prevent it completely if one family member is ill. It would be better for ill people to at least be in separate very well ventilated rooms and for everyone to keep going with the hygiene measures as much as possible (young children would make that harder of course).

NewHorizons2020 · 25/02/2020 06:14

Our Cambridge Masks arrived last week. When to start wearing ? Need to take the train tomorrow to London.

NameChangeQuestion · 25/02/2020 09:02

There’s so much choice for masks I’m getting a bit overwhelmed.
Before I started asking about masks I should have said hi, thanks for these threads, I’ve been lurking on the last few and finding them really helpful. Slowly building up a stash. Just need to get masks, gloves and goggles but it’s taking me a ridiculous amount of time to choose which ones. If anyone’s bought their mask from screwfix would you mind telling me which one you went for please? I’m also near a Homebase and wickes.

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