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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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AmelieTaylor · 20/02/2020 17:18

@TankGirl97. Have a look on your mask packets. They should say p1 P2 or P3. The ones that work for this are P3, but you need to use them correctly (a load of videos on line) and once they’re wet (with coughing/breathing) they are no longer any use and need (carefully) throwing away. They don’t last many hours.

There are sine around £18-£25 that have filters that you might choose to look into.

As of now I only gave a few of the disposable P3’s, but I’m looking into getting one with filters. I have a LOT of sanding to do, so it won’t come in wrong anyway. I haven’t used one when I should have because the ones I had weren’t as good as these and I couldn’t breathe with them on.

Toughmonkeys · 20/02/2020 17:19

Someone is being tested in my area. A small area in Fife of all places. I think it said she had been to Singapore and was now feeling unwell.

AmelieTaylor · 20/02/2020 17:24

@tryingtoprep. I’m getting extras together for my Aunty - she’s in her ‘90’s She has all her marbles and is really well for her age, but it’s easier for me to get extras for her than to make sure she buys the correct gel & masks etc. I’m going to see her in the next few days and just talk about the extra vigilant hand washing etc (she still drives & does her own supermarket shopping etc.). She’s still a good driver - no worries there. She’s also immaculately clean, as is her house - I’m just a bit concerned when she’s out & about.

AmelieTaylor · 20/02/2020 17:26

@Toughmonkeys

How did you find out?

I don’t ‘do’ Facebook, so I miss out in a lot if the news/gossip/speculation locally. It’s generally a GOOD thing but occasionally I feel I’m out of the loop.

Legoandloldolls · 20/02/2020 17:28

Checking in too. I think I need to make a list of what I have got in next

BlackeyedSusan · 20/02/2020 17:31

Eek.

MotherOfDragonite · 20/02/2020 17:35

Checking in, hello. I have prepped minimally but appropriately for our tiny living space! London is interesting. Not much obvious concern from locals, but I am 99% sure that there are more Chinese/HK tourists than usual (plus the usual high number of students) and of these, at least half wear surgical masks. A very few in the P3 kind.

GiveMeAllTheGin8 · 20/02/2020 17:37

Also checking in💁‍♀️Thanks for the new thread. Very informative

KaterMurr · 20/02/2020 17:45

I did my first trip to Lidl today to buy extra stuff in. I'm starting slow, since I don't drive and I'm pretty sure we have a few weeks or so before much happens here, but I picked up loo roll, hand gel, UHT milk and a few extra tins.

I've been following the virus steadily - literally get updates of extra cases as and when they come out from a Discord group - and I am flabbergasted more people aren't more concerned.

I can see why govts want to balance a fine line between 'alertness' without causing panic; I watched an interview the other day with a couple of US high-ups, one who seems more involved in politics than medicine, but still very well informed, who pretty much said 'stop buying N95 masks because they're in short supply and doctors/hospitals will need them more than you in the event of a pandemic', which I read as a pretty blatant 'please don't panic about this, it's bad for everyone, even though YES we too think masks are a good idea'.

Not panicking just because most of the news coming out suggests kids aren't highly susceptible and nobody in my close family is likely to be hit by it, but would be very concerned if it got here for friends and more distant family who might suffer.

Anyway, hi!

Dyrne · 20/02/2020 17:45

Thanks for the new thread wheresmymojo - you need to be flogging your services to WHO as a pubic liaison!

Dyrne · 20/02/2020 17:46

Aah! PUBLIC liaison!! A pubic liaison would be a very different career indeed...

HasaDigaEebowai · 20/02/2020 17:47

CDC in the US has upped its travel alerts today. Firstly for Hong Kong and then for Japan. I suspect South Korea will be the same. Basically warning against travel (although still only on level 1 (from zero) and it goes up to 3)

nibdedibble · 20/02/2020 18:05

I’ve got so many supplies in (in case we all feel ill at once, just in case) that I’ve run out of room. No masks. We always do batch cooking/freezing anyway.

The WHO sit rep Today said the CFR is 2.8% but that’s without knowing the actual number of infections.

lemonjumper · 20/02/2020 18:06

A number of Fifers being tested apparently, @Toughmonkeys : www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/1154931/exclusive-possible-fife-coronavirus-cases-probed-as-tests-carried-out-in-the-community/

HighlandYak · 20/02/2020 18:11

I just got some kind of advert (but different to normal ones) notification type thing on Facebook from the NHS about how to prevent the spread. Found that interedting, seems they might be pushing to inform people now

Prepping for a pandemic....5
applesandpears33 · 20/02/2020 18:26

Checking in. I've been lurking on these threads and find them very informative. I'll be going to Costco and Aldi tomorrow to stock up.

TenShortStories · 20/02/2020 18:30

Thanks for the next thread, checking in.

LittleSwede · 20/02/2020 18:44

Thanks for the new threadwheresmymojo.

KaterMurr · 20/02/2020 18:46

I think I've been reading too many of these prepping threads - just emptied the dehumidifier and found myself wondering whether it would be drinkable water 'in a pinch'.

Btw, what are everyone's thoughts on Iran? Sounds like they got 2 cases which quickly turned into 2 deaths, and now more cases (and I heard from one source more deaths, though that doesn't seem official) today, so I'm thinking they've not been very alert and/or are only reporting them when they get critical - so may have a much bigger problem than it appears. Especially since they're now locking Qom down.

AvocadoOwl · 20/02/2020 18:53

My take on Iran is that it's already out of control there. They've taken no action because they don't want to put people off from voting in an election tomorrow and now everyone is going to pay the price sadly.

AvocadoOwl · 20/02/2020 18:55

I have that nhs advice thing in my FB newsfeed too.

pemberlyshades · 20/02/2020 18:58

Hey just checking in- thanks for the new thread mojo!

MissusMaker · 20/02/2020 18:59

Was just coming on to say about the Facebook thing. I think this positive.

MissPoldark · 20/02/2020 19:03

Perhaps they need to make that advert so that you don’t need to click on a link to get the important info. People who most need the advice probably wouldn’t bother to look.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/02/2020 19:33

I agree. The catch it bin it kill it... Slogan could come out again.