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36 in June, pregnant with 1st after 5 months with OH who doesn’t want it

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Firegirl35 · 26/12/2020 15:36

Hi girls I’ve been reading and lurking but really need to share my situation for some advice..

I’m 35, no children and have found out I’m pregnant. I’ve been with the father just 5 months, we have had a rushed relationship as first date in July and then I moved in 2 weeks later mainly due to my house purchase falling through... I’ve now bought a house that needs some work doing and am currently still living with him.

He’s 37, has a 6 year old daughter and 8 year old son from a previous LTR which he was devastated ended in her having an affair, telling him she didn’t love him anymore and tearing the family apart. He took it hard as he was the same age as his son when the same thing happened to him. When we first got together he said he’s not against having more kids ‘one day’. His mum went on to remarry and have a baby when she was 42, so he is open to it, but also he seems to think age isn’t really a barrier.

We have the kids exactly half the week (so he doesn’t pay ex maintenance), and things have been great until a few weeks ago when his son started having sickness and anxiety at meal times.. he’s asked his dad why he’s not with mummy and even said he doesn’t want Christmas. I don’t know if going between two houses is upsetting for them, but the ex has suggested she has them more. He’s dead against this, he wants to see them more, and he also doesn’t trust that if he gave her maintenance it would actually be spent on the kids. I’m not sure if he’s controlling her with this. I have no relationship with her whatsoever, she seems a bit threatened by the bond I have with her children but I think she’s coming round. The whole situation is new and they are still figuring it out a bit.

Anyway, I tested positive for covid on Nov 30th. I’m a firefighter and once the two weeks isolation ended I still felt very ill with symptoms like fatigue and sickness that weren’t going away... so I got signed off work another 2 weeks. I tried to get anti sickness tablets prescribed, and was asked if I could be pregnant. I took 3 tests which all came back positive and it was confirmed by an out of hours GP an hour later..

I was in total shock and couldn’t stop shaking for hours. I called a male friend who has been very supportive, and I registered with a maternity unit as I wanted an early scan to date me... I think I got pregnant when I was ill, as I stopped taking the pill but we did have sex once. The week before that though I was fatigued, so I don’t know. I have ended up contacting Marie curie for a scan as I knew I could get in there quick, and they booked me in for Xmas eve. We left early but the motorway was closed and the diversion made us late for the appointment, so they wouldn’t see me :(

I told my partner a few days ago, and his reaction was “for fcuk sake”. Then “what are you going to do?” He’s since made it very clear to me in several heartfelt conversations how he feels about it all, that it was wrong as it was a very bad time, he’s still getting his head around the situation he’s in and the fall out from it, the kids aren’t totally settled yet (more his son), and he always swore that if he had kids again it would be when everything was totally right as he wouldn’t want to bring another “broken person” into the world as he puts it. He said that everyone else would think the same, and that it’s just a pill. His ex terminated their third which he was against at the time but thinks they would struggle to cope as they would have had two young ones.. His opinion of abortions now is that they are fine, as she was fine with having the medical one. And he says he’s glad as that’s one less kid he would have messed up. He tells me it wouldn’t work as he knows he’s not ready for another baby now, that it’s Horrific and you need to be rock solid. I think he believes that I will 99% get rid of it, after a frosty day or so we’ve been getting on better even making jokes, but that’s because he thinks I’m definitely having an abortion. If I say something against that, then it’s “I don’t want to argue” “we keep going over it” or “it’s doing my head in”

For me-
I had a surgical abortion at 7 weeks when I was 24. I had only been with the guy 4 months and he lived 200 miles away, he was fairly happy and we were going to keep it but I was scared as I was young, living in a flat with a girlfriend, suffering badly with an eating disorder, and extreme sickness. I told my parents and my mum went mental, made me feel stupid and like a kid and that it was a mistake and I wouldn’t cope. So I ended up going to a clinic, coming away as I couldn’t do it, facing the wrath from my mum and going back to have it. It fcuked me up for years, I went through phases of being completely obsessed with babies to deciding I wanted absolutely nothing to do with them (then my decision was justified). I moved to be with my partner, secretly hated my mum for two years it took me to forgive her in my head. I was with my partner for 8 years, so it would have probably worked out and we only split when I decided to become a firefighter and he didn’t want to move away again.

I told myself at the time of the abortion that I would never do that again. But also as I’ve got older I’ve seen the rough side of life with kids so have a realistic view which makes me appreciate time I’ve had single/free. I know babies/families are hard work, but I see myself with one in the future. (Near or distant not sure). It’s really hard being a step mum/friend figure to my OHs two , and makes me want my own. I missed out on the baby stage and toddlers... ill also never be the one they want when they’re ill, and mums Xmas dinner trumps ours, they want to stay at mums Xmas eve etc... the mum always wins. It hurts. I feel like I love them like my own but I don’t get them if that makes sense, and it makes the pain of not having my own more. I thought before I got pregnant, if it doesn’t work out with me and OH (haven’t been happy with his behaviour- he’s quite lazy, dirty etc round the house, doesn’t pay me compliments, and he’s only an ok dad, he does provide and cook for them and they don’t go without much, but he’d be happy to have DS in a dirty jumper, and sometimes I think he interacts with the dog more than he does me/the kids! Both his other two were unplanned when ex was on the pill, but I think he thinks she planned it , and it’s possible he thinks that now although I have told him I forgot the pill as I was so ill with covid (the sex was consensual btw, no forced sex).

I’m stuck because my heart wants the baby, but I know logically and sensibly it’s not the right time at all. OH said he wants to enjoy life with me more first- go on a holiday together, get each of our houses sorted, have the kids see our relationship develop before bringing a baby into it. But I’m the one who would have to live with it afterwards. And I’ll be 36 when the baby is born, what if this is my last chance? I can get my house completed in a few months so that will be straight, and although my parents live 200 miles away they miss me and both retired last year so I think they would move down into the 2nd bedroom, if I had to do it alone and we split up. I’ve not told them because of the drama of last time, and don’t want either to tell me to abort because we’ve not been together long. I wanted to make my own mind up and tell them at 3 months when they would have to accept it. My dad is turning 70 in April and my mum 65, this would be their first grandchild and I worked out I would be able to tell them the gender for their birthdays. My girlfriends are supportive of me whatever I decide. I’m the first in our small group to be pregnant and they are all single. I keep thinking, if I abort and we split up down the line, it might be too late to find someone and have a baby with them. On the other hand, if I don’t abort and we split up, at least I’ve got my baby/family and I won’t be too old to find someone new to have a relationship with. If they had kids too I wouldn’t feel like I’m missing out if I didn’t have one as I would have one. But also, I fell pregnant after one incident when 24, and probably only a few now, so if I waited to see if this is the right person, and build up more foundation with him it might not be too late, however I’ll never know.

This is the most difficult decision. I have an appointment at Marie stopes on the 29th for everything- due to them not seeing me on 24th- a scan, medical questionnaire, counselling and the procedure itself if I want to go through with it then. If I don’t I have to wait till 7th jan.
I’m so torn :( Any advice or insights would be much appreciated Thankyou so much

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Embracelife · 28/12/2020 10:59

Leave him.
You barely know him

Have the baby if you want to

Maybe another single parent wants to be lodger?

Jobsharenightmare · 28/12/2020 10:59

I can't believe someone has posted to keep the baby so you'll never be alone again.

It's clear you want this baby having read your updates. So in order to not make the child suffer this man as a parent I would consider not acknowledging him on the birth certificate but if he decides to want to be a father in future be prepared to go to court.

happinessischocolate · 28/12/2020 11:00

For the money side, search for benefits calculator, there's one called "entitled to" you can put in all the details of what your situation will be if you have the baby and it will tell you how much universal credit you'll get.

Firegirl35 · 28/12/2020 11:07

I woke up today and thought this could be the last day I’m pregnant 😢 parents still think I’m aborting tomorrow, I’m unsure

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EvilPea · 28/12/2020 11:07

I’d never changed a nappy before it was my own child’s. They showed me in the hospital.
In a way it was helpful not having experience I had no preconception or expectation of what it would be like. I’d never been a mum my baby had never been a baby that was it, we learnt together.

Your the one that has to live with this decision, not your parents, not your partner.

Firegirl35 · 28/12/2020 11:08

Thankyou happiness I’ll look into that when I’m alone today!

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beautifulclouds · 28/12/2020 11:10

Oh God please don't do this @Firegirl35! Please protect your little baby Sad

beautifulclouds · 28/12/2020 11:11

Your the one that has to live with this decision, not your parents, not your partner.

Exactly! Sad

Firegirl35 · 28/12/2020 11:14

@beautifulclouds it’s not a baby yet it’s “a cluster of cells with the potential of being a baby”

You could argue that if I didn’t have it would be protecting it from a life of struggling financially and maybe being neglected or manipulated when older by a father who doesn’t want it

I see both sides really I do, which is why it’s so hard as I have an analytical brain but I’m also very caring so this is splitting me in two

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beautifulclouds · 28/12/2020 11:21

In your heart do you see it as your baby, or as "a cluster of cells"?

I just feel the argument of "You need to protect this (potential) baby from its crap father!" is quite shaming towards you - as if you were harming your child by giving it life. I really don't think that's the case. There are all sorts of difficulties in every person's life, you can face them in the future when they arise. They are not a reason to force you to have a termination you don't want to have. Ime it is just the most effective way to get a mum to do what you want her you do - make her feel guilty or like she's not good enough for her child. You ARE good enough as you are! Even just on your own, sod your parents and your partner!

Ismellphantoms · 28/12/2020 11:21

I could have written your post. I was the same age and everything. When I went to MS it felt like a factory procedure and the just wanted the money. I backed out of the termination on the day. My XP put me under tremendous pressure, but I did the right thing. My Dc has brought a lot of joy, wonderful grandchildren too. It's a struggle, but worth it. I felt that it was my last chance and I took it. I met a wonderful man and he has been a wonderful father to her. You sound as you want the baby, but are willing to go through what you did at 24 to please others.

beautifulclouds · 28/12/2020 11:24

I honestly can't see how your child would be harmed more by having a crap father than by having its life ended and never meeting you either!

iguanadonna · 28/12/2020 11:27

Time to think about what you want. Not your mother, not this deeply unsatisfactory man. How do you want your life to be?

happinessischocolate · 28/12/2020 11:33

One other thing, if your OH is so adamant that he doesn't want another child then HE should have used a condom, don't let him blame you for something that he could have taken responsibility for.

Even my 16 year old DS knows that the pill doesn't always work, and can be ineffective if you're ill, or it's taken late so he's responsible for his choices.

TheGoodEnoughWife · 28/12/2020 11:35

For those suggesting keeping the baby and raising them on your own to be honest this could be the best option but not the most likely!

He is the father. Even if he isn't put on the BC (and why wouldn't you the baby does actually have a known father?!) he can pursue parental responsibility. He can force contact. He can force input.

Raising a child with an arsehole of a father is much more difficult than raising a child completely single handed imo.

You would be tying yourself to him forever.

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/12/2020 11:35

Ok that’s fine but perhaps you could have a chat with struggling single low income mothers and ask them. Being a parent is the hardest thing and doubly hard when your doing it in your own financially and emotionally

I know a lot of single parents.
I live in London so not exactly the cheapest lace to live.

A lot are on some sort of benefits and would definitely come under the heading struggling single low income mothers

They are the happiest group of people I know

I am interested why your mother would think you would become a struggling single mother.

You have friends and a job and your own house

Personally I would have this baby and put two fingers up to your ex and your mother.

She doesn’t/didn’t want kids and so is trying to rule your life.
I think you are surrounded by people who have their own agenda.

Do what will make you truly happy. If you want children then have them. The rest in your position can be sorted out later.

EvilPea · 28/12/2020 11:37

One other thing, if your OH is so adamant that he doesn't want another child then HE should have used a condom, don't let him blame you for something that he could have taken responsibility for.

^
This

If he was so sure he didn’t want one, it’s not your sole responsibility, contraception fails even when everything is done properly. You’ve not trapped him. This is as much on him.

Not that blame makes any difference to the situation.

Firegirl35 · 28/12/2020 11:39

I said to OH last night, i feel that if I have this abortion it will be for you and he said ‘yeah, but isn’t it better to do it again when it’s right?’ I asked him what would change in two years and he said the kids will be settled, his son still gets upset about his parents splitting up, and he’d be more ready. But what if in two years time our relationship deteriorated due to me having the term., or my mental health suffers and things don’t improve and we end up not having one... then I’ll be 38 and having to find a new partner to do it with.

I feel like my relationship with my mum is over.

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TheGoodEnoughWife · 28/12/2020 11:42

Unfortunately your relationship is over. There is no coming back from here either way.

EvilPea · 28/12/2020 11:43

I feel like my relationship with my mum is over.

Oh darling. That realisation is a hard one. I’ve been there. Flowers you just want their support in your decision - whichever way you go.

EvilPea · 28/12/2020 11:45

What if in 2 years he still doesn’t want one.
You’ve then wasted even more fertility on him hanging around.

Don’t abort this one on the off chance he might want one later. My personal feeling is he’s dangling that carrot to manipulate you and he probably doesn’t want more.

Unicorn88 · 28/12/2020 11:46

My best advice is to follow your heart. In my opinion you would be better off being lone parent. I think government as some allowance/support for single parents try to get information on this.
Take care Flowers

Firegirl35 · 28/12/2020 11:53

You are so right about the condom thing, and I did say that but of course he scoffed repeating that he thought I was on pill, wouldn’t have come near me otherwise etc etc...
And even had I been on it, because I was so poorly it might not even have worked anyway! I’m not particularly religious but I did think to myself I’ll let god decide whether I’ve fallen pregnant or not. Here I am...

I feel like confiding in my mums only and religious sister, I think I know which way she would be saying and would be a hell of a lot more supportive than my mum! I don’t know what’s wrong with her...
now she’s saying “keep us informed!” “What time is your appointment?!” “When do you want us down?”

I think she will be angry and try and change my mind again. OH doesn’t know I’ve told anyone. Don’t think dad would be able to keep quiet in front of him so it will be a shit show with all three of them telling me the right thing to do is abort. I just want to run away/disappear.

Oh and I don’t own my own outright or could get a mortgage on my own on this house on my wage, so my dad went in with me and I effectively pay him. He’s very invested in the house, I guess it’s technically his so it’s not secure for me if we have a Massive family fall out. Can’t imagine him taking his grandchild’s home away from them though, he’s always been a kind and generous dad. Mums the manipulator. Dad still very upset and quite anti kids for me too. Makes me feel like what do they know that I don’t? Is it really that awful, do they regret me that much, would I really be that terrible a parent?! I dont know if my old eating disorder and body image comes into it, mums funny with food always has been, and dad cycles through binging and over exercising, weighing himself to the lb. maybe they wondering how I’d cope with body changes during and post partum, and getting the time to exercise. I need to for my job and mental health

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Oliversmumsarmy · 28/12/2020 11:56

Whether you have this baby or not I would look at getting yourself some help with choosing who you surround yourself with

I think your parents for all their money and nice holidays have screwed you up and you keep choosing a certain type of partner based on what you are used to and not what you deserve.

Yes you could go out and find someone else to start a family with but he could be the same as your current partner. He too could have kids he doesn’t want to screw up so might need to wait a few years for him/them to be ready so could find yourself in a similar position with your time having run out.

I would not put this guys name on the BC and deal with him wanting PRs if it comes up later

If you aren’t asking for maintenance then I doubt he would go for PR as he could end up with paying money to you.

He could ask for joint custody but again that would just mean him doing more work and no financial benefit.
Unless he is completely controlling.

Or you could put something in writing that he has nothing to do with the baby

I would be moving into your house ASAP so your life can begin.
You don’t need your parents to help you. You can do this on your own and be a much happier person.

The single mum friends I know say It is hard work but they wouldn’t have it any other way

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/12/2020 12:07

Just seen your update on the house.

I would see what happens if you do end up going against their wishes
Is their anything in their name. Is your father named on the mortgage I.e as someone who has an interest in the property

I think that even helping with the house purchase is another way to control you.

If they want their money back I would look at 1 or 2 bed flats to buy on your own

I think you have a lot of change ahead because I can’t see the relationship with your parents surviving this either

They have put you in a position that you have to toe the line or lose your home.
It sounds more like what you would say to a teenager than a grown woman in her mid thirties