December 2008 - Its not wind they are smiling.

[JamInMyWellies]

Here we go ladies Rosmerta suggestion.

veggie - just to say that book is my lifesaver during the dark hours, immensely reassuring and really validates all our efforts even if we feel we're doing nothing, simply by being there for our babies we're doing so much.

oh and vomity babies left in their clothes for a bit - quite, if they will vom on themselves what can they expect?!

I know what you mean Indith I was like that after ds1 I got so sick of being close to someone constantly so didn't want anymore touch from dh. Also got worried t would lead to more and just didn't have the energy. I have to say this time it doesn't feel so much like that and while I still need my space if and when I have it I am trying to make an effort to give dh some big hugs. I think it is partly because he us quite stressed lately and also with him working away a bit now I will get plenty of my own space. Having said that haven't done the do yet and he is dropped very unsubtle hints. Maybe I need to find some homeopathic lady viagra.

Oh and I need my hairs removed on a momentous scale you have reminded me Indith I think I will need a few appointments such is the gravity of the task.

So true JJ I didn't read it until early last year but wish I had read it when ds1 was a baby. I feel like buying several copies to give to friends when they first get pregnant.

Kmp- have you done your LCs passport photos yet. We found a website that you can a digital photo of baby to (front on eyes open and all that) and they will crop it to correct spec

Oops missed the word send

Hi Veggie yeah, I took the photos on my camera like you did and took them into the shop - they were really lovely and altered them to meet the criteria. They made a set to meet the Australian requirements and a set to meet British. I have found out I can get a British Citizen to certify them but haven't managed to get that done yet. Realised I'm running out of time to get passports processed by mid Feb when we had hoped to travel - they even told me at the post office that it can be up to 6 weeks for a baby's first passport - however usually ends up being much quicker

There must be a 6 week growth spurt????? My God this child is non stop - he's almost over his cols and now last night was at the bar ALL night!! All dh could hear was wimpering from him all night which was in between when my boobs were having a rest but he was still looking for them! I told him the bar was closing - he completely drank me dry - did last call about 3 am but he wasn't having any of it - wanted a lock in! re vomit - i've just watched him vomit yet again - wiped it up but it would be the 3rd change in as many hours so he can be in it for a bit! Only a tiny bit this time - probably due to his gluttony over night!

My other problem is getting him to sleep in the cot - especially with this marathon feeding - I can't get him to sleep ANYWHERE except my boob in between mamoth feedings so it's just putting him off the cot more and more! Any idea's??

is the London meet up still happening?? Veggie - be great if you were down yes we should do a coffee morning or pub lunch or something? I have my 6 week check today - what does that involve??

veggie can you give me the website? I have a friend who may need that!

Have not managed to suck out snot yet from DS...just can't face it. He was v unsettled and like many of your lo's fed nearly every hour yesterday afternoon/early evening and never slept for more than 10 mins, and if he did go a bit longer DD would wake him up! But finally got him to sleep about 9 and I never heard from him again till 5am, bless he must have been poorly.

Wish I knew about the website before we had DS passport photos done. Had a ridiculous experience in a photo booth as our local shop thar did them had shut. They were actually not bad and DS managed one eye open!

Morning all,

arti like many of us on here, I get that trapped feeling as well.

Especially when ds2 refuses to nap during the day & then cries because he's overtired. When I did manage to get him off yesterday, ds1 went & woke him up! Having said that, at least he had a good night. We put him down in his basket awake and he got himself off to sleep for the first time.

veggie it would be great to try & meet you!

I've forgotten what else I needed to say...

Oh well, I'm sure it will come back to me. Need to get ds1 ready for nursery anyway!

Daisy I read somewhere that you can buy a suction type thing for that at Boots. but i can't find it on their website. Eww i can't face the other method!

kmp you can buy them at Boots, I got one for ds1. Its just a plastic nozzle with a bulb on the end. The tricky part is them letting you use it!

kmp is this what you mean? nose thing

Bleugh!

I leave you for a mere four days or so and I come back to a discussion of sucking snot out of baby noses! (Actually I wish I'd read that last week when DD had her cold, which was only a short one - sorry your little lad is still suffering, KMP, though I see he is taking seriously the old adage 'feed a cold' - I couldn't have done it, but DP might've )

I have been keeping up with the reading but only on my phone. I was on my own in London from Friday evening, running wild until Sunday evening when DP came to collect me. I would have kept DD with me but he wanted to take her to his Mum's (he was going up to help organise funeral arrangements for his friend) whilst I had to represent him at the baptism of a friend in London. I stayed in on Friday night but Saturday was a blur of hairdresser/galleries/spot of shopping/drinks/dinner/more drinks. Oh, and a bit of time at the gym, which was a shocker. I walked there (3 miles) and then was too tired to do much when I got there. I am letting the membership lapse to save money, but I still have a bit of time left.

It was lovely to have two nights of sleep and some time to myself but I missed DD and DP a lot and in a way I'd probably have preferred that she stayed with me. TBH, (this slightly relates to what Jam was saying) my MiL irks me and I don't think much of her ideas re: childrearing, and I didn't really want her looking after DD. Which is awfully unreasonable of me. But she has got some strange ideas. One of the times I spoke to DP on the phone I could hear DD shrieking and he said his Mum was dressing her - to be fair, she often cries when she is dressed (less so when I do it) but it still made me annoyed.

Jump, shame you didn't get to go out for supper the other night. Indith - sorry you are having a trying time. Arti - I am sorry you are having moments of feeling trapped. Do you think you will still get to come out to the party on Saturday? I know what you mean about the chaos. I'm not good with it either. I love DD so much, and yesterday I was thinking how she is just bliss - but this was amidst frustration at feeling behind with everything all the time. I feel I am running to stand still every day. I am now fretting about work projects and things like that, too. Mind you, I didn't get everything done I wanted to BEFORE I had DD, let alone now! If I mention it to DP he just says "I'd trade places with you in a heartbeat" (and he would but it's not practical). It's not that I don't want to be the one at home with DD - I love it - but I just wish I could get more done. Gah, I put too much pressure on myself to make every aspect of my life 'perfect' - and it's an unwinnable war! But I am too old to change personality now

Who is going to the meet up that I am missing, then?! Veggie, what are your dates for coming down? I am actually in London quite a bit over next few weeks but probably little time for meet ups. Thursday night I am at the ballet at the Royal Opera House (sounds grand but it was actually a Christmas present from a client) - Bisou, how is your prep for The Magic Flute going? I was actually fretting for you the other night in bed - The Queen of the Night must be a really hard part to sing. I take my hat off to you. So, Veggie, it's Bloody Marys that are the finest aid for a long flight? My late DH always used to say that it's Christmas Day Rules on any flight (ie you can have an alcoholic drink even though it's 9am or whatever )

Wow, Turnip, a tummy tuck? I know someone who had one done and it looked very good. I am going to get my veins zapped, probably at your favourite, the John & Lizzie. It's not just thread veins - one is an actual varicose vein and it's got to go. It's not just vanity, it aches. Not as much as when I was pregnant, but it's still annoying.

Anyway, I have missed tons of people out - sorry - but love to all.

Hello everyone,

There must have been something in the stars yesterday because DD was in a very similar mood to lots of your LOs - didn't want to be put down, wanted food every two hours, if not on the hour. It is exhausting! Maybe they are all having a syncronised growth spurt.

I can really identify with what you said ladyT about being behind with everything all the time. I get the house tidy (ish!), washing basket almost empty, bottles all washed and sterilised, and then a few hours later the place is awash with soiled clothes, dirty bottles and stuff everywhere!

I took DD to be weighed at the baby clinc yesterday and she was 9.5lbs. I thought she'd got heavy! We walked there, despite the rain as I felt we needed some fresh air. Whilst we were in there it started snowing and had to hurry home with snow and sleet blustering round us. DD was lovely and cosy under my coat in her sling, whereas my shoes were taking in water!

Kmp LOL at your DS wanting a lock in.

Gracious, she's started screaming again. Byeeee.

MIL told me it was Weepy Monday yesterday. Apparently it is the most depressing day of the year.

I've just eaten 2 cheese toasted wrap things wish onion mushroom and tomato, but I still want more. It feels like I haven't eaten at all.

Ds2 is starting to be more settled and happy to be left to himself on the play gym wiggling the horsey thing about. His default latetly well almost since he was born was to be a bit grumpy and whingy think it must have been wind pain cos my latch was a bit off. It nice to see him giggle and watch his brother play

LT the reason you want to do everything is because it kind of feels like your doing nothing constructive. (that and needing money)

Hello! Quick post from me - DS2 feeding, DS1 whinging (Indith, I have a moany little sod as well!). Thinking of all of you struggling with demanding families, esp Arti. I seem to have no time for anything, DS1 full-on all day (he is refusing to nap), DS2 feeding all evening. Nights not too bad as a ruke, but last night DS2 was feeding a lot and DS1 woke up screaming at 5am.

Trying to get DS1 to social stuff every day, toy library yesterday, messy play today. V good pln, he behaves much better in public

Congrats to jj on the christening

gah, DS2 still hungry, better go. 3 week spurt I think...

oh and I was thinking how I'd like to go back to work as long as I could take DS2 with me

which isunfair to DS1 who is lovelymuch ofthetime but he does. not. stop.

Good to see you Effie, I was wondering about you.

Veggie, I have been a busy and restless little sod bee ever since I was tiny. I make endless lists and even though I push myself I only every tick a few things off and it's demoralising. Like Jolly says, too, in terms of chores a mother's work is never done! The third aspect is, yes, whlist I am returning to work part time and from home, that's not going to bring enough money in so I need to do other things. So the restlessness and berating myself for not achieving enough is threefold really.

Kayz - I usually find January a very depressing month but not this year. In spite of what I have said above, this is largely because of DD and also being at home!

hello!
someone said to me, when I was mid-moan about how I can't get anything done in a day, that if all I do is sit and feed and cuddle my baby then I have achieved loads - I've fed a baby and helped her grow! It's an end in itself - not a waste of time that stops me getting something done. I do get frustrated with the growing ironing pile and to-do list, but if I look back at how Phoebe has grown and changed in the last 5 weeks, I realise just how much i've done! i did that! i grew that baby! i'm making her bigger!

ooops puke alert....back later

cat - are you surviving?

afternoon all i just had a very uncharitable thought about dd - she's currently wearing just a nappy having had an emergency bath and feeding, and she's still a bit wrinkly with her hair a bit wet, and littled hairy ears, i looked down and thought "eek! she looks just like Gollum!"

going all the way back to the discussion of favourite things, i really love it when she sneezes - it's a full body thing, her hands fly up and she has a very delicate and ladylike sneeze as opposed to her dad who for some reason stifles his (even though i've warned him that one day his head will explode) and me who sees a sneeze as a great joy and go "wa-hoooooo"

ladyt - i'm a grat one for lists too but the secret to feeling you've achieved lots is write on each of the extra things you do (buy newspaper, speak to friend on phone) and then cross those through. makes it look as if you've done much more.

jollybear where are you that's got snow?! do you find having lo in a sling acts as a little radiator and keeps you extra toasty?

kmp see my thread re getting babies to nap - evidently a vibrating chair is the answer, or just acknowledging that they're still very tiny and may well have problems getting themselves to sleep sleep thread Hope the 6 week check went well.

massive higs and huge respect to all of you with several nippers, it's difficult enough with one so you must be real super-women to cope with more.

yuck to the idea of oral snot removal, that's surely above and beyond?

has anyone heard from beans lately? haven't seen her in ages.

oh and here's something to give you all a laugh after "depression monday" - we're co-sleeping with dd at the moment as it makes night feeds much easier, just latch her on and let her go for it. Last night she stuck hereself on, I dozed back off and woke up about an hour later thinking "jings, is she stil going?" as it felt like my nip was still being worked at in some way. Looked down and she'd turned over, it was sticking in her ear

Oh Trace, it's not the cuddling her that gets me down. I LOVE all that. It's just the endless bottlemaking/washing. But you are right.

Yes - Cat, if you are there, hope you are ok!

Jump - DP sat next to someone on the train yesterday and she was looking at a list. It started off with things like 'Buy cat food' and ended up with 'find flat' and 'get job'. Er, I guess I should be grateful that my list isn't like that...