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2HipHopandHappy · 30/03/2008 11:55

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theAfkaUrbanDryad · 05/05/2008 11:08

PCF - CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Susie - I'm sorry you're hurt. I'm sorry you're hurting. And i'm sorry you're in so much physical pain as well. But you can't let your back pain hold you back. There is help available for people in your situation and yes it will be hard but you can do it. You are an amazing person, very strong and your h is trying to break you. You say you're not making excuses for him, that you're not one of those women, but you are, sweetie. And it breaks my heart because i know what it's like.

You say he is depressed because he can't see his son. Why, then, would that manifest itself by not seeing his daughter? It makes no sense at all. Perhaps you're starting to see now why he doesn't see his son? I've known so many men who bang on and on about how evil their exes are, that they won't let them see their children and you know what? The sad truth is they can't be arsed.

I don't know the full situation and i'm sorry if what i said hurt. But the truth does hurt. And you need to see what is going on here. As far as I can tell you have 3 options:

  1. Leave the idiot. He'll know what he's lost when it's gone and he'll either react by drawing further into his "depression" or sorting himself out.

  2. Stay with him and grow a thicker skin. Don't let him dictate to you the way he does. He's taking advantage of the fact that you love him and need him physically. Just let him get on with his own thing and when he lets you down just say "Oh well darling, me and Izzy had plans anyway" in a lovely breezy voice, even if you're dying inside.

  3. Stay the way you are. But I think you're getting more and more miserable and you can't live like this forever.

Don't make it his responsibility to change - it's your life too. You can change things. You give him too much power over your life and it Has To Stop.

Much love sweetie. xxx

susiecutiebananas · 05/05/2008 13:42

I have read your posts, and I really do sincerely appreciate your replies. I also appreciate and understand the sentiment with which they were written. I feel touched that you do care.

I do have fantastic friends, very close friends and trust me, they have all said similar at some point. They have all also accepted that I am trying to support Dh too. That i'm not ready to give up on our relationship.That I love him in the way that I do, and are now, supporting my decision to stay with him. It simply is not that easy, to just leave. Ive invested so much in him, and our lives. I'm not prepared to walk away just because things are really shit at the moment. All relationships go through difficult times. Time which you don't want to experience ever.

We have been incredibly happy in the past, and we are still happy when we are together, and yes, this is due to me letting an awful lot go... compromising my 'self' in the process. It is not disimilar to what Loosh has said, about taking back a DH how has been unfaithful to you. You just can't keep punishing someone for it. It will never work if you do. You have to move forward, if you are to stay together.

I realise its not exactly the same, but, if I did not do what I do, when we are all together, we would never be happy. Isobel is so incredibly happy when we are all together. When she sees me and Dh together. It makes such a difference to her. Her two favourite people, and her, spending time in the same house, playing, eating dinner at the table together, having baths, having naps on the big bed. She is a different girl. I am not prepared to take that away from her yet.

Perhaps I do need to think about when I tell her that Daddy is coming home. IN all honesty, I never think that he won't come home. Every time this happens, I hope, and believe its the last time, or at least for a long while, purely because we are so happy and content when he is here. I never think that he will not want this next weekend, that he'll hurt me or let me down.

I will just have to get on with it. I know this. I don't expect tea and sympathy ad infinitum. I really don't. Just that at times, its important to say whats happening, to talk about how i'm hurting.

I feel the comment about him not being arsed to see Thomas is unfair. and that it it is his fault. Its complicated. His exW made it impossible to see him. She had an affair, and when Dh left, she moved the other man in. They told Tom he had to call him Daddy. She was after a huge amount of his money, that he'd inherited and would not get under those circumstances. He had a lengthy court battle about it all, and had to prove that she was co-habiting with the other man. Thomas would have confirmed it easily to him, which she could not risk. So she stopped contact and accused him of unreasonable behaviour, as he would go round after work to see Tom.

He visited him at school one day, and she called the police and accused him of trying to abduct Tom. Which was not the case i the slightest. The police believed her story and up held it. He could not see him after that.. He will have to go through court and liason meetings in order to see him now. Its not because he doesn't want to see him. She did eventually get over £300K of his inheritance. Its heart breaking. He was left with nothing. She had a fantastic solicitor and barrister, and DH did not, as he could not afford it. He lost everything. Including the houses they had bought and renovated which was a business he had with is brother, that they used to do with his father before he died. Its unjust and unfair.

Of course, he also gets the point about why sacrifice seeing and being with a child he can be with all the time, merely because he's upset and depressed about not seeing his other child. Its just when he gets so low, like he is now, he can't think about it. He buries his head in the sand a huge amount. He has aspergers syndrome, so dealing with and understanding his emotions is difficult enough, without also having to think about mine. NOT an excuse, but a very valid reason as to why it is hard for him. He has developed coping strategies with alot of it. WE have developed strategies to deal with it. Its HARD.

LIke I say, I just need to at times, let it all out. I was feeling really sad, and low. I miss him when he's not her. IN the same way you would miss your partners. I love him, just as much as you love your DH's. I often think he doesn't deserve such love, but, I can't stop the way I feel.

I accept the point about responsibility to change. I really do. I realise I can change things too. I have, an awful lot already. Its not as cut and dry as it may seem. It is SO difficult to cope with everything I am having to cope with just now. I feel its unfair. I can't cope with it all. I have to find ways to deal with my day to day life, that affects Izzy. That is hard enough, without dealing with the whole picture all at once. I'm confident my pain will improve, given time. And when it does, and I can manage my life every day, then I can address everything, the whole picture.

IN the mean time, I just ask for a little understanding and support. I don't need, or want answers. I know what the answers are really, deep down. I just don't want to e judged so harshly, or for him to be really. He's not a bad person. He's just having a shit time, and yes, bringing me down with him. We will get out of this, we will do it together. We have to, and want to. We are a partnership. It will get better and we will be happy again, all the time, in time, thats all.

I am sorry for my post last night. I was really upset reading some of the replies. It really wasn't anyone i particualar, though some were harsher and blunter. I guess what i'm trying to say is that there is really no need for that as I honestly do know all that you all said already, my self. I am in agreement with much of it. I appreciate the honesty too. I guess I just don't need to hear it, as its something I already know. You know, when someone is really down, it doesn't help to kick them a bit harder. Which is what it felt like I'm afraid. ( although, again, I totally understand the sentiment behind it. )

Anyway, i'll not go on about it anymore. I bore myself, so god knows what it must do to you lot.

Finally, I suppose all I ask is that you trust me, to be utterly aware of whats happening. Trust me, that I know what he's doing to me. Trust me, that I am doing what is right for my family. And finally, trust me, that it will get better, and if - a big if, it doesn't I will not continue with this forever, by anymeans. However, that time has to feel right to me though. It has to be a decision that I make with the confidence I'll never have any regret about making it. That time just is not now.

Reggiee · 05/05/2008 18:07

UD you've changed your name again!

Hiya Loosh! Good to see you back.

Wilkie - uh oh. Ominous spots...Calamine at the ready. Is J still chirpy? Did I see somewhere that Loosh has CP in her house too? Perfect timing for a meet up then for the two of you!

2H where are you keeping your lawnmower at the minute? If I had a shed I think I'd just fill it with crap. Putting up a shed sounds like just the sort of job I'd avoid....

Eah how's Ellie's arm today? Is she acting wounded? Pmsl at a gnome factory - it's funny to think they have these things, but I suppose where else do they come from? It's brilliant that you can visit it. Is the gnome residing outside their new play house?

Hi MrsPCF. Get those photos up pronto. Really want to see!

Vino you enjoyed your weekend? Hope you didn't spend it all working.

Well the BH weekend is coming to a close. Boo! Seems like I've been off work for ages. Enjoyed yesterday's bbq, despite the pissing rain (gorgeous day today though - really warm). Really funny to watch how P interacvts with lots of other children. Depsite being at nursery, she takes a little while to warm to her surroundings before ploughing in.

Right, off to put the tats on. Was going to bake some buns tonight but don't have any caster sugar. Will granulated do just as well? Where's Lizz when you need her? Eah do you know?

SmoothandWilkie · 05/05/2008 19:46

Reggie - granulated sugar will work but will make the buns crunchy. You can whizz up some granulated sugar in a blender to make it finer. HTH!

J's spots are spreading - I'm still not convinced that it is chickenpox - I guess tomorrow will tell. I just expected the spots to be bigger but these are like flea bites and I don't have fleas!!!!

I HATE HATE HATE living here! The kids outside are driving me f*cking insane, kicking balls outside, shouting, swearing. We have seen a few gorgeous houses that we are hoping to view tomorrow. Our offer was turned down on the house we viewed a few days ago. Ho hum.

vinorouge · 05/05/2008 19:55

Maybe a bit late Rgee but I have once used granulated sugar by mistake and the cakes turned out fine. I haven't got round to making my cake today. I did make toad in the hole for tea which was very nice. And no I haven;t been working all weekend. I finished what I needed to do about 10.30 yesterday morning and am just sorting out stuff I need for next 2 days.

Today DH and I went to Tesco to buy E some next size summery clothes - bargain - 20% off most stuff.

I think I'm nesting! Got some newborn (seems so tiny!) and 0-3 months (cos I;m worried it will be a big baby) stuff out of the garage and washed it all ready for use. E went in her bed last nigth for the first time. She only fell out 3 times in the first hour then fell asleep almost hanging off the side. We had to move her! The nice thing was that this morning at 7.30 (hooray it felt a huge lie in) she was happily playing in her room as she had been able to get out of bed whenever she had woken up. Suddenly I feel really excited about having another baby.

I've sold my pliko for the second time on ebay (the first sale fell through) but yet again the buyer hasn't got in touch. I don't think I am cut out for ebay. Its too annoying.

SmoothandWilkie · 05/05/2008 19:58

Vino your description of E in bed made me wee myself with laughter. I know what you mean about babies though....

eandh · 05/05/2008 20:21

Ooooo I suspect they'll be more babies soon (and no not from me!)

Rgee - wouldnt have a clue about sugar but if Wilkie says its ok then I am sure it will be

Vin - will Ellen please come and show my 2 how to play when they get up, Hattie woke me at 5.10am by wandering into my room and wacking me with tv remote she refused to go back to sleep so came downstairs with her put tv on and I snoozed on sofa ignoring her. She had a 20 min nap at 8.30am and that was it all day so I made her got to bed at 6pm.

Rgee - did it rain up there yesterday, we've had sunshine all weekend (and worked out that Ellie has inherited my skin that does not tan and Hattie has DH skin as she is going brown even with factor 40 sunlotion on, she has tan lines today )Yes we do have a gnome for the house but unpainted as we have decided to let Ellie paint him

Dad came round earlier and laid the slab base for house, put up curtains (bless my mum took her hours to make them as she did tie backs for them as well), laid the laminate floor inside, made her a shelf and window box (they need to be painted so will do that this week)and my Mum appeared and bought the girls a play BBQ so that is set up outside the playhouse (ellie very worried about house burning down if we leave it inside )

PCF - I did remember and posted on Thursday about the wedding any pictures yet

Suz - glad you are feeling 'better' and understand all the different comments

Loosh - poor ds with the spots at least its nicer weather so you dont have to be cooped up indoors

2happy - shall I send my Dad your way he is fab at putting up sheds/playhouses

eandh · 05/05/2008 20:22

whoops missed you wilkie - I suppose only time will tell maybe worth taking him to Drs tomorrow to know one way or another

SmoothandWilkie · 05/05/2008 20:39

EAH - I did think that actually, may whip him up to the GP in the morning!

God I'm bored tonight! La la lala la lala

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theAfkaUrbanDryad · 06/05/2008 07:19

Aww it looks lovely PCF. Max is soooo cute in his little outfit!!

eandh · 06/05/2008 07:41

Looks gorgeous PCF - agree Max looks adorable!

Its 7. and the girls are already outside playing in the garden

eandh · 06/05/2008 07:41

whoops 7.41 that should have said!

Lizzzombie · 06/05/2008 08:57

Congratulations PCF!!! You are a proper grown up lady! Hope you had a fabulous day and it was everything you dreamt of xxx

Wilks & Loosh - poor you having the dreaded pox. Hope LO's are over it soon.

Susie - Its all been said so I can't really comment further, but I do hope it sorts itself out soon as obviously its awful for you both.

Eah - Very eventful weekend indeed. I think you need a rest. Poor you!

Well, DJ is ill. Not sure what to do. Have kept him off nursery. He's got a temperature of 38 degrees and i'm alternative nurofen and calpol, but he is still hot. It started on Saturday night and he's not really eaten anything since then, and this morning puked up his milk all over my bed. How long would you let this go on before contacting the Dr?
He is drinking plenty of water, and once dosed up is plenty perky again in himself. Bleurgh! x

eandh · 06/05/2008 10:04

Lizz - My Drs say most viruses are 5 days long and if tehy still have symptons after 5 days then taken them in, to be fair, 99% of the time they are better/stopped D and/or V within 5 days. Is he drinking plenty?

I am being a lazy arse this morning, ~Ellie at school, Hattie in bed (another crap night as Ellie kept coughing and it woke Hattie up and then she deicded to wake up just gone 5am again) I did housework yesterday and cleaned windows and conservatory fascias yesterday so am spending this morning sitting on my arse with a cuppa, MN and a trashy mag

SmoothandWilkie · 06/05/2008 12:41

Well its not pox. Spots have gone this morning but he had a very runny nappy and won't eat. But is perky.

Lizz - when J had his 7 day D&V bug, took him to GP who said there is NOTHING they can do and just prescribed Dioralyte. Personally I wouldn't bother going to GP as long as he is drinking. Signs of dehydration are dry lips and tongue.

laughalot · 06/05/2008 14:22

Hi just found you all again I lost you all.

Wilkie poor j hope he is better soon.

Pcf you look so nice and little max I could eat him up

Susie understand you are having a tough time but dont want to comment as I have no tact whatsoever and will just end up saying the wrong thing.

Eah thanks for the lovely bits for AIDAN and lauren.

Rgee we had crap weather here too on sunday but it was fab yesterday and today.

Vino little baby will be here soon how exciting. I also went to tescos yesterday and got the 20% offer.

Lizz hope d is better soon Have you tried him with a ice lolly to keep him hydrated ?

Lizzzombie · 06/05/2008 15:29

LAL - what 20% offer? I just got back from Tescos and didnt see any babies on offer with 20% off!
Did however stock up on organix bars, as they are £1.37 there compared to £1.99 in Boots. Scandal!

DJ is drinking fine, just stinky vile nappies and very very grouchy. Pretty sure its the mouthful of teeth which he is sprouting which is causing the problems. Ho hum. Thanks x

Lizzzombie · 06/05/2008 15:36

Ok, just re read entire 444 messages to find vinos post about 20% off kidswear post. Hmm...my Tescos didnt have it. Very annoying. But I did get DJ some cute little cargo shorts in denim, for £4! Same thing in my actual place of work would have been double even with a discount!

katwith3kittens · 06/05/2008 22:59

CONGRATULATIONS Mrs PCF !

Not only was I thinking about you on Saturday I was actively stalking you as it was my weekend away near where your parents live and as we were driving around I was on the look out for churches. I didnt manage to spot you though

We had a lovely weekend, athough I must admit my nerves were a bit frayed thinking about how the Lo's were getting along. I was constantly attached to my mobile just in case, in fact at about 4am I heard a message being received it woke me up. I checked my phone, nothing, so went to look for DH's (hes got a new one thats a phone balckberry etc) but it was too complicated for me to turn on, so I had to wake him up only to find I'd been woken by a junk email from America .

I lost all my money at the races .

I spent ages judging the horses looking at their form ..... and for what .... nowt !

so we went off to get some bubbly, and I chose the next horse based on his name. Unfortunately we sat around drinking too long so I didnt bet on him.... and guess what the blardy thing came in at 7 to 1. So I've decided gambling is not for me
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LO seemed to manage getting to sleep without a BF.... so I'm starting to wonder if this is the right time to stop. Decisions decisions

theAfkaUrbanDryad · 06/05/2008 23:05

MOVE OVER GINA FORD!!

I have a new method of getting babies to sleep:

It is the patented Urban "Nick Cave" method - you put the baby in their cot and play Nick Cave on repeat and the baby falls asleep out of sheer despair.

Et voila!

I'm thinking of writing a book.

SmoothandWilkie · 07/05/2008 06:36

UD - Why oh why do you have a Nick Cave CD int he first place? Should we be worried?

Also, how are things in your life? You have been away ages - I hope you and DH are sorting things out.

I have been up since 5.17am. Is it really necessary? I think not. J appears to be right as rain now though.

eandh · 07/05/2008 07:27

Morning 5.07 here I ignored them fighting squabbling moaning 'playing' till 5.40 when Hattie was screeching, thank god my neighbour is old and cant hear them unless she has her hearing aid in

Ellie is currently in her room having time out as she has not had enough sleep and extremeley grumpy and banged the door right into hatties head, I get the feeling its going to be a long day

Kat - glad you had a good weeekend, pmsl at the betting thing, Ellie won the grand national because the jockey had a nice colour top on

UD- Are you going to write a cointroversol baby book now

theAfkaUrbanDryad · 07/05/2008 07:35

Yes - Nick Cave does appear on my "Music To Slit Your Wrists To" playlist. and the song i'm playing ds at the moment is The Weeping Song. but don't be worried - i don't have a whole cd, just a few odd tracks here and there on my iTunes.

I don't know what to call my book though. I was thinking something like "The Some Cry Sleep Solution" but it doesn't really have a ring to it, does it? "The Uncontented Little Baby Book"? "The Baby Shouter"?

Anyone got any better ideas?

Lizzzombie · 07/05/2008 14:36

Kat - Poor you at the races! Hope everything else made up for it though. Did you wear a big hat?
UD - Yo! I reckon you should release an "Alternative Lullabies" Cd. For discerning high brow babies! The Radio Head and Beatles versions of rock-a-bye-baby go down really well here.

Well, after DJ sleeping through from 7pm till 3am (omg - never ever happens since way before xmas!) he woke up and cam in with me, then woke about 6am for his milk. Turned over and went back to sleep until 9am!!!! I had the most fabulous lie in ever! I took him to a local playgroup where he exhausted himself, and after lunch promptly fell asleep and has been snoozing for an hour now. Oh to be a baby again!

Eah & Wilks - poor you and the 5am ish starts. I really don't like them at all! I'm on my knees gulping coffee by mid afternoon normallly!

Hope you are all enjoying the sunshine! x