Just Mumming Viroids 6 - some of us have time for JSing, some don't, but we're all grad grads!

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Just shagging grad grads thread! Roll call below please...

Oh DP knows, just fed up that the GPs brought P back because she was being difficult and the whole point of her going was so I didn't have to do the bedtime routine with two of them.
Feeling a little better now because they are both finally asleep and I've just realised that I'm out tomorrow night with DP at a local park where there's an orchestra playing. Being cultured for once lol!

It is DPs turn for the night as well so he'll be doing the nappy changes/ bottles etc. I'll probably feel better if I manage to have a kip xx

You sound totally fed up pixie. Will DH be back early enough to help share the work? Is there any chance of a break some time soon - maybe if they are better next week the grandparents can step in again.

Great nipple news tee! Did you feel self conscious or was it ok? What a lovely family day!

Yay for resuming the sexuals popz! Hopefully it will start to feel more natural.

I will just have to deal with it, I know. But you're right fleur, just try not to expect too much of myself. I am going to try and leave the house each day though, even for half an hour walk as I do feel better when I've been out. Oh, but I did start OITNB this afternoon so plenty to sit and watch too!

And thanks viroids. I love that I can come and moan at you lot and nobody says I'm BU lol xx

We've just got a humidifier in our room for R but P doesn't have one yet, definitely should've bought 2! P is covered in snuffle babe and she's had her nose suctioned- her favourite
So she is fast asleep now, R is also in the land of nod and so will I be hopefully in an hour x

X-post pixie, sorry!

Hugs pixie xx

dulcet what is oitnb?

Orange is the new black?

That's the one!

Hi!

I love being home! so much calmer.

Am catching up with life at a slow pace but I'm feeling so much better this I was. Been in drug/tired induced fog all week but today (yesterday) I washed hair (didn't dry because B needed feed), wore actual clothes and sat on sofa for a bit instead of bed.

Pixie you sound proper fed up :( sorry.

How are my dd buddies getting on bf? My god I can see why folk don't stick at it!!!! Fucking hard. But I am enjoying it and have got into routine. One bit of routine isn't working and I can't fix it coz I think it's because I don't know how to wind him. Got mw tomorrow so will ask. Will also wrote out the shit from the last week. Most is mws being fucking useless and lots of bad and conflicting advice making an already stressful situation worse.

The last few days have been getting to know B, screaming with pain at milk engorged boobs, never being allowed to sleep (seriously - I didn't sleep from sat night until thurs afternoon when I got 20 mins before a paediatrician came to do another heel test on B and shattered the only peace that day). I've sobbed that I never get to stroke my cats (baby blues I'm guessing!), forgotten to finish most things I've started and generally been a typical new mum. My mum goes home tomorrow.

Can I ask you pros something?

I have got to know him enough now to try a bf routine and it seems to be working tonight except for one bit. Routine is:
Baby wakes for feed (3 hourly due to jaundice)
I feed one boob until baby pushes it away full (20 min approx - is that normal length of time?)
Baby poos whilst feeding (my god he reeks!!)
Baby is winded somewhat (not sure I'm doing this right) and put back to boob.
Baby has about another 5 min and then falls asleep. Usually weed at some point
Baby is changed and cuddled (20 min)
Baby is rocked but doesn't fall asleep so offered boob. Doesn't want, looks sleepy
Baby is put in crib but starts to look uncomfortable and obviously not going to sleep. Starts to cry.
Baby taken out, winding attempt continues.
Baby offered boob, doesn't want.
Baby held on lap. Baby now happy and going to sleep. Mum not happy because mum would like sleep and alarm goes for next feed in 1 hour.

Is this normal? And what am I doing wrong?

Hey la! BFing is by far the hardest part so far. We have loads of support here but I am still considering changing what I am doing to maybe combi feed, it's really messed with my head!

In terms of your routine, looks fine to me (not that in an expert!) but if the issue is him not sleeping when you out him down the things that have helped here are to make the cot smaller with a rolled up towel sound the bottom so he is supported when he goes in and to out a warm hot water bottle in here before we put him down so it's not so cold when he goes in. That is on the basis that he was in our arms, supported and warm and then we put him down. It seemed to help. We also had to introduce a dummy as he is a really sucky baby and will stay on the nipple for hours just sucking at it for comfort.

We are still learning though! Sounds like you are getting a good understanding of B there.

hey la! Well done, all sounds normal. Babies just want to sleep on people so maybe mrla can have him for a bit so you can get some kip? Are you sure he's windy? Drawing his knees up, arching back? Otherwise you can pat them pretty hard and try different positions. It all gets easier as it goes along.

On that note, babyj had a three hour morning nap, then went to bed at 6.45! I'll gloss over the two hourly feeds from 2am but perhaps the 11pm bedtime is phasing out...?!

From my experience with colic and dairy intolerance if the arching back and not settling doesn't work is try cutting out dairy for a couple of days and see if B settles down a bit for sleep better.
R was a nightmare and was always fussing and griping after a feed, he's formula fed though so it's easier for me in the fact that I can just get special milk from the docs (I say easier it was like getting the pope to turn Pagan but that's a different story- 6 visits to the docs and 2 weeks later we have the milk and he's much better)
Give it a go anyway and see if it helps much x
My aftercare after R was born was also pretty shite but I expected nothing less after the care I got after having P.
Unfortunately mw and nurses are overworked and underpaid but if you've been getting conflicting advice that's just not on.
I really admire you viroids that breastfeed, I never got the hang of it and just broke down, I didn't even bother with R as I was still scared from last time (which is a shame because he probably wouldn't have been as ill if I had)

Hope everyone's enjoying their weekend, I'm hoping to not do much today, DP is in bed asleep after being up all night with R.
Both kids having colds is really not ideal but with plenty of calpol and snuggles Im sure we'll survive.
I've given R calpol even though he's supposed to be 2 weeks to young for it. My reasoning is if P had it when she was 2 months and she weighed a lot less than R does at 6 weeks then I don't see it being a problem. R is 12lb 4 at 6 weeks- P wasn't that weight until she was 14 weeks! He's such a little chunk.

Hi la - great that you are starting to come out of the fog!

I found propping one end of the crib up helped with wind - effect of gravity I suppose? Also try cycling his legs and, if he likes it, massaging his tummy - the mw of HV should be able to show you.

The midwife we saw yesterday said that everyone has different opinions and therefore if you do what you think it right/ works for you then you can never be wrong it is ridiculous though.

S is feeding every 3 hours or so but I do not wake him over night to feed. He is putting on weight and the longest he has ever gone is 5 hours. Sometimes during the day he will want to feed every two hours - I just go with what he wants. However he never pulls away from the boob and would happily stay there all day. I give him 30 mins Max per boob and offer both at each feed.

He usually passes out at the end of a feed, I change him (he usually poos during a feed) and he wakes up so then I rock him for a bit and he usually dozes off enough for me to put him down.

You're not doing anything wrong La - just go with the flow Newborns are not big lovers of being put down or sleeping in a crib, which is not great for your sleep prospects but totally normal! I seem to remember miniP being quite difficult to wind at first. Back rubbing and patting, walking up and down stairs with him or "Tiger in a tree" (avoid in carpeted areas if he's a vommy babe ) worked for us. Sounds like you've got the bfing thing nailed though

Lots of great advice on here already, what worked with E was up on the shoulder and running his back, he isn't a sicky baby but I always popped a muslin there first, or sitting him on my knee and patting rubbing his back!

Glad you are getting such a good routine already!

Also completely agree with regards to a newborn prefers to sleep in arms, it doesn't last though!

Hey all,

pixie sorry things are tough, get MrP to take over for a bit and go have a nap

la sounds like you're doing everything right my lovely, he probably just wants to be held. He's had all that time being lovely and squished inside you and it's a big scary world out here, all he wants is his mummy and daddy to cuddle him. H wouldn't sleep anywhere but on us for a few weeks. Get mrla to hold him while you have a sleep. If it is wind, which it might not be, try walking up and down the stairs with him..that was good for H. It sounds like you're doing well. Newborn is a time of everything being a sleep deprived haze, and the rest of it spent staring in wonder at your little one! The cats will be fine, they know you love them xx

Hi la congratulations, just to echo the others...it's completely normal for newborns not to sleep in crib/Moses basket etc, they want to cuddle up to you. My advice would be to lie down on the bed, lie baby on top on you on your chest, sleep together until he wakes probably not the official advice but it's the only way to sleep in first few weeks They seem to like the comfort, warmth and apparently like the sound of your heartbeat (or so I am told).

Can you use the sling yet?

I'm crap at getting baby wind up. MrWil always managed it better. It gets easier around the two month mark as they get bigger.

My mw today so no need to wind unless baby particularly windy. What do you think? He seems to sort himself out - generally he has 1 boob, then a doze and a wiggle. I offer boob again and he has small amount and then does a lot of very intense looking wiggling and big poos/farts, after which he settles down and looks content. We then change nappy, then he has small amount of other boob and a cuddle to get him to sleep.

I find he seems to be more stressed if I start messing about with trying to wind. So maybe I should just not?

Regards,

Confused in boob land

If I start m

Fleur what did you call your wee one in the end? Did I miss it?

Try with not winding and see how he goes. He'll tell you if his tummy hurts. Sounds like you're doing acers.

My child went to bed last night. Not so much tonight.

The family visitation went ok.

Aw crap, MrJ is teaching her to bloody walk...crawling is enough!

Hugs to those that need them xxx

I read somewhere that breastfed babies don't "need" winding.... Sounds like your mw is of that school of thought too! I don't think I winded miniP regularly for a while... especially as he usually went to sleep on the boob and ain't no way I was waking him up!! If he's not uncomfy then leave him.

Baby just puked up like exorcist all over me and bed. That's just taught me a valuable lesson - do not bf in bed!

Is this common and would you then redo whole feed? He's quite sleepy and has had nappy changed so I'd quite like to just put him back down.

PS there is baby vom in my foof

aww I hate that La. Soggy cleavage. Whole different meaning to swamp foof. That is not the lesson to learn from that though - bfing in bed is a must. I always keep a couple of muslins strategically placed to save the mattress. Depends -sometimes they want fed again afterwards and sometimes not. He'll let you know if he does no doubt.

Some babies are not windy so if he doesn't seem to need it let him be. If he can't settle though then that'll probably be why.

Actually got some sleep last night. No idea how much but enough to save me from becoming the emotional wreck I was teetering on the brink of.

I was also told that bf babies do not need winding - that is not the case with S (I have posted his name on FB!) and I have to wind between each boob and then at the end for 5/10 mins until he brings up a burp.

I sit him on my lap put his head forward and rub his back. Then I rock him forwards and backwards before putting him over my shoulder (where he usually falls asleep).

No sick yet. Hope I haven't just jinxed myself....