The 8th Broadly Gemini Bus- The one where the babies refuse to sleep!

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Numero 8!

Hoping for some actual sleep tonight!

Bring ~ that's hilarious

Frus ~ that's brilliant news that it's worked for you. I'm so pleased it has worked as that will be such a relief for you that you've found something that makes him happy!

I'm still waiting for my M&S meal. No flowers, no champagne I've just poured a huge glass of red for myself as I'm getting slightly annoyed by the lack of romance going on in this house

Ahh man pear Mr. Pear needs to work on it! A glass of red wine can be so much better than a guy anyway

Hehe! No, she was awake and crying all over my sister when we got home. Wouldn't let me out of her sight after that. Just so not in the mood these days. Would much rather have comfy PJs on and rolled up in my duvet. It just feels like so much energy and work. Urgh. No thanks.

That's exciting that the bottles are working frusso!! We've had to resort to having M take her milk from a sippy cup instead bottles b/c she is just not having any of it.

Wow. Bpear stirred at 4am. I left him puffing for 5 minutes and he self settled. Woke at 6:55am. Please please please make this mean we've finally turned a corner and there is light at the end of the tunnel?! Sleep training began 2 weeks tomorrow night.

Lor ~ how's it going?

On another note I've woken up with puffy sore eyelids. An allergy to the food last night or wine?! Either way it's ouch

Wow frus, sounds terrifying, I can't even imagine! Are must work places closed??
Pear wow what great progress, you see he can do it! I think you've definatly turned the corner! My advice is now don't go back, you know he doesn't need it and can go without, even when kitten is poorly I never feed her, I go in and offer comfort but never want to get back into the habit of feeding again, if she needs a drink I do offer water but so far she's only had that once or twice, what was it like having the evening to yourself??
Bring you sound like you had a great valentine, must admit in abit in the can't be bothered camp myself!

Frus, so scary. The photos look freaky.

Pear we haven't started yet. start tonight as dh is too exhausted to face it on a Friday night. I have changed how I settle him during the day though which is very resulting in less crying and is much quicker. Not sure whether to attempt putting him down awake tonight to do pu/pd, or mostly settle him and put him down sleepy at first, but not quite asleep.

Oh on another note just gave ds his first formula. Loved it. Used a cup to give it (Tommee Tippee Explora but with valve removed). He drank quite a lot. Hard to tell how much bm he'd usually take at that feed but he drank until full I think.

Just being nosy... why the formula Lor?

So scary frus! Wow. That kind of stuff is no joke.

Also great news that baby pear is finally getting into the sleeping groove!

Feeling like a crank-monster this morning. Thinking it's a combo of red wine last night, M sleeping in my bed and wriggling and hitting me in the face/kicking my legs all night waking up every 15 mins this morning as DH keeps hitting snooze on the alarm and a friend wanting me to hit a bakery with her and her DDs when it's usually super duper busy even during the week. Plus DH has to work and my MIL is already pestering me to get the kids on skype. FFS!

He doesn't settle during the day. I'm just holding him close and not fighting him as much and crucially not rocking or bouncing on the fit ball! He cries for a few mins then falls asleep in my arms.

Bring just because he'll be in nursery before he's one so will need formula or ebf there and I struggle to express enough these days. Also some nights I'll be lucky to be home from work before he goes to bed so we need to know he'll take formula instead of bm of needed. Wanted to introduce it before we really need it to make sure he'll take it! Not giving up breastfeeding but going to give one formula feed most days.

Gotcha.

Still a crank-monster. Off to skype (yipee ) with the MIL and very precocious 8 year-old niece.

It's good to know he's not fussy lor, will make life much easier for you to have an option. I'll be back to work soon and think ill have to stop altogether, kitten only has it first thing and I'll have to leave before she wakes up itl make me so sad to stop

Part of me is almost ready to stop bf, but part of me feels sad about it. I reckon I'll probably stop when I go back to work in May. We'll see.

I hate the idea of not seeing ds either morning or evening too. ds will only be in three days a week and I'll be doing drop off in the mornings. It is likely that some Friday nights I'll miss him though.

She has 3 aday frus but only one from me, I just don't make enough now, I sometimes let her have a suck when she roots or is tired but I can tell she gets nothing and is off in a few minutes, even in the morning, they are not full and it only takes 5/10 mins but she seems happy with what she gets
I stoped bf tiger at 6/7 months and felt sad but I guess because kitten may be my last I'm holding onto it as she's still my baby!! I'd always be at home to put her to bed in the evening but I've never given her the evening one ( not for months I mean) the fact I have af back and everything shows my body is out of baby mode now it's just I'm not

It was fine. I think you're right, most 8 year old girls are precocious. I feel like she's pretty exceptionally bad though.

Want to hear the latest and greatest fight? Last weekend was about my mothering abilities, this weekend it's about my wifely duties. I was just accused of getting it on with my best friend (who's a girl btw). Cue DH starting the drink at 5 pm and starting to get sloshy by 7pm when it's boy's bedtime. I thought "kill me now" and said "wow, drinking a bit early, aren't we?" This led to him going off on a rant about my best friend who happens to also be a student midwife who is working under the same midwife as me and how we're a thing now! He says that he's a "21st century man and he make our family work if I feel like I need to run off with her". OMFG. I don't really have another outlet besides you lovely ladies (watch out, apparently I'm a lesie now!). I think we need couple's therapy. This is just getting out of hand. Happy f'ing Saturday night to me.

Oh bring that sounds so tough. Maybe couples therapy would be a good idea alright. It definitely sounds like there are some issues to be worked out.

Hope you're doing okay. It can feel very lonely when you're in a house b and fighting with your partner.

Frus I never knew with tiger that you could self wean, I wasn't on the oracle mumsnet so I just set a target 6 months which was when I knew she'd be on food, when it came to it it took longer as I droped feeds really slowly do it was 7 months when I stoped altogether and I was ready in one way but missed it which is what's prompted me to go longer with kitten and I've got longer off work

Bring I know you make up quite quickly but it's a horrible cycle to be in fighting and making up, and such a stupid accusation! Do you think he believes it or is looking for something anything to throw at you? Do you think it is all linked with drinking? 5 is early to be starting when you know the boys are awake and watching they are obviously at an age where they learn by watching and understand what he's saying, me and dh had couple counciling before kids and it did help us stay together

Oh bring When exactly does he think you have the time to be a lesbian on top of everything else? Do you think it's finally hit him that having 3 children is starting to take away your attention towards him a bit ? Men don't like sharing even though I know it shouldn't be like that!

bring Have you broached the idea of counselling with him? What is his problem?! Have you considered starting a thread over in relationships? There are a lot of knowledgeable women over there who might have some insight. There are quite a few whose default response is LTB but they can be ignored!

I'm nowhere near ready to stop bf-ing yet! In fact, I'm trying to wean him off formula! We've still not got quite the right routine with respect to meals/sleep timings. He's decided that he doesn't need a mid morning sleep now & instead demands to be put down at 12.30 when we're either in the middle of lunch or just about to start! When he sleeps through a meal he'll often have some formula when he wakes up as a meal-substitute so I don't have to sit at the table all day! ACalf is extra attention-seeking at the moment so it's tricky to do separate meals for them both! Mostly he just bfs now but pretty much exclusively between 8pm & 8am. He'll have 3-4 feeds in that time! He's loving food now that he's figured out what to do with it. He'd still rather feed himself finger food than be fed from a spoon. No idea if it's the texture or just that he wants to be independent!

Has everyone else had nice weather today? It's been beautiful here! We spent about 2.5 hours in the garden. MrGnu & I dug over the beds ready for planting, ARunt watched/slept in the pushchair & ACalf 'helped'. This mostly involved him trying to ditch his plastic tools & play with our sharp things! That's when he wasn't scooping the soil to put in the weed bin... Twas a lovely afternoon though & ACalf had a complete meltdown when it was starting to get cold/dark & I insisted he come inside for a snack. I led him all the way up our garden sobbing his little heart out & wailing about it! Bless! He spent most of dinner talking about it & how he'd been "helpful to Daddy". Apparently I'm not the one who spends hours every year planning what to grow where & is generally in charge of the garden... oh noooo, it's all about Daddy!