October 2012... PELVIC FLOORS!

[Londonmrss]

Ready...
Steady...
And squeeze!

[OctoberOctober]

Would also second the opinion that hv not terribly bright and dogmatic. Have opposite problem here that DS is now on 90th percentile BUT no recognition that he is also v long as they no longer measure that. He is 2 cm over 99 percentile for length so to my mind it is no wonder that it follows he is also heavier than normal or we would have a beanpole on our hands! Just looking at him sprawled on me in a 6-12m romper that is looking a little short on the legs...

[Londonmrss]

Moving day. Routine is fucked, baby is over-tired, everyone is emotional and sad to leave. Londonmrss is stressed. And referring to herself in the third person.

[lisbethsopposite]

Hi.
elpis. I second Squid & Cherry's comments. Yanbu. He is. Nobber.
crazy I have toddler and baby too - but ds1 attends crèche 5 mornings and I have an au pair. I feel a bit guilty about this and I really admire you and elpis. Fact is I could not do what you do. In my book you are fab.
Also I hear on the AP grapevine that many children watch MANY hrs of TV. We are all only human.
katla we recently started afternoon naps. No palaver, just a relaxed time soon after a feed and into cot. He grumbles a little but by the time toddler is put in bed baby is asleep -3 mins. I find it good to have his outdoor suit on as cool mattress does not revive him IYKWIM.
yomping I remember way back in a very early post you complained you were bored. You had everything done you needed to do. I was
OctOct agree with Zara. TBH I thought that kind of thinking was gone already. Reminds me of Mad Men.
beccus Paul has not been weighed in months. Last saw nurse at 2 months and we don't have HVs. In fact I'm not sure what they are...
I also thought charts were for trends over time.

noisy toys remove batteries. F**k off head wrecker.
cherry I bought a jumperoo today. Thanks for tip.

No rolling here either, but we are doing tummy time - improving mummy!

Last thing - DH working like a dog lately. Travel and long hours was only home 1 day in last 2 weeks. Remembered to send me flowers for Valentines day and is really supportive. Anyway home last night we ended up in big row.
Him helping annoyed me. Blame the wine. I am a nobber!

[crazypaving]

just sneezed and ds2 absolutely roared with laughter! fake sneezes apparently are just as funny

[cherrycherry41]

Hi everyone,
First of all congratulations on your babies! Im a bit of a mumsnet newbie so never got into the whole antenatal club thing...
However i'm here now- better late than never! May aswell introduce myself-
I was due on 20th September and after a horrendous 3 day induction in ridiculously slow labour i finally had DD1 in the early hours of the 4th October via EMCS 2 whole weeks overdue :@ lazy bum!
She was 10lb 11oz and we called her Savannah Grace.
Since then shes grown into 9-12 month clothes costing me a fortune, is now around 18lbs and can roll into some weird positions- especially when i wake her up in the morning (other end of the cot/ bum in air much!). She got her first tooth last week too after some horrible teething days and nights .

Anyhoo, just thought id drop by and get some friends say hi!

[Elpis]

I do not start boozing at noon! Not least because that's when I pick up DD from preschool. Around 4.30pm I might have half a glass of wine if there's a bottle open, but I'm trying to avoid even this by introducing teatime with fruit and crumpet on a tray. May even start using a teapot as DD loves them.

In case you think I'm not being defensive enough, I'll add that I'm not even drinking coffee - including decaf - at the moment as it doesn't seem to sit well with lack of sleep and migraine meds. I am a fucking saint, I tell you. It's green tea all the way.

[Katla]

Elpis cheers!

[Elpis]

And not on Saturdays! DD is watching Madagascar so DS and I are having Quiet Time. Well-deserved after ballet class, weeding, baking a cake with her and a game of snakes and ladders.

[Londonmrss]

if I wasn't breastfeeding, I'd have been on the gin by noon today

[OctoberOctober]

londonmrs good luck with the move. Stressful at the moment but will be worth it.

Enjoy well earned tonight.

[Beccus]

hi cherry!
thx everyone for the support re lack of weight gain. we managed a morning of skin to skin with frequent feeds, but dd started cracking it with the fois gras style feeding & we both got cabin fever by lunch time, so we got dressed & went out. boobs feeling fuller than usual this arvo, so happy about that. she generally seems pretty content & not hungry, so don't get what the lack of weight gain is about.
good luck with the move londonmrss - it would be wrong to not at least have one g&t! orienishii - swiss cottage reception never answer their phone, so still not sure if pool has reopenned.

[smileyhappymummy]

Hi cherrycherry I have another 4th October baby - elective section at 39 weeks though and just a little one at 3kg exactly - has just doubled her birthweight but still fitting in 0-3 month clothes. Nice to have you!

[Angelico]

Katla loving the random toe sucking baby! :o Would have given me a bit of a shock :o

October it was me said about size 2 teats because they have been a hit here too :) I also bought a couple of variflow ones but haven't tried them out yet, will let you know the verdict. Tommy Tippee are greedy bastads though for putting size 1's in with bottles as the variflow ones are from 0+ months grrr!

Welcome cherrycherry :)

FirstTime think it was Livvy whose bean had that and she found it was to do with lactose? I could be making that up but someone will recognise the description!

London well done on surviving move! It is hateful and stressful but you've done it, hurrah for you. And lots of or or [whatever floats your boat]

Had nice long lunch with friend and because of expressed bottle was able to stay out for ages :o It was great!!! Expressing is my friend now that boobs have caught up!

[Woolybob]

chin chin elpis, it's always 4.30 somewhere

welcome cherry my dd born fourth oct too and also induced but a more modest 8lb 1. congratulations

Not wishing to gloat but a lovely few days here. dd in much better mood and only woken twice the past few nights (and been ok to resettle!) Yesterday was my birthday and dh had booked me in for a back massage, facial and manicure as a surprise. Then went out for a meal just the two of us while my dps babysat. Baby free bliss

[smile4me]

zara reminded me of this thread I read yesterday. Totally second the getting DS naked (wish you were still in sunny NZ for that one ) to see if he will roll! Soon as I take DD's nappy off she's all over the place, clothes back on and just lies on her back!

huffle hope you get a better night tonight, he's got to start improving again soon!

Thanks for the tips on cups angelico How long did it take your boobs to get used to expressing? I'm planning on expressing a bit in a couple of months, more when DD can use a cup seeing as the little toad won't take a bottle but just wondering how long in advance I need to start practicing

Firsttime we regularly get days of green poo nappies, often accompanied by sore gassy guts and grizzliness, and often when she has fallen asleep on boob and drank too much. Have you upped her bottles lately? I've mentioned it to HV and she has always said not to worry, probably just overeating/indigestion. I did read about lactose overload though when she was a NB and started block feeding, which definitely helped, but that probably doesn't apply if you're FF.

october is HV just concerned about increasing weight percentile because DS is FF? DD has crept up from 90th - 99th and our HV isn't worried as she is also long but definitely also a chub The weight difference between the 90th and 99th percentile is huge too! And what are you supossed to do, leave him crying when he's hungry??? No thanks! I guess lisbeth's right though, it's the only thing they can objectively measure easily, the other things like baby happy and pooing lots can't be plotted on a chart

Hi Cherrycherry we are also breaking out the 9-12m vests and are lugging around a lard arse chubby DD! at 10lb 11 at birth! Was she your first? We also got 2 teeth about 10 days ago, someone (I think it was huffle ) had a theory a while back about teething being related to fast growth so we could be proving that theory right!

[Zara1984]

Welcome cherrycherry!

Right crazy I am off to the docs to get the pill ASAP. I got through the best part of a big pack of super pads today ugh. Now DS is in bed I am receiving some immediate period pain relief from Dr Johnnie Walker...

Smile I tried to get DS naked this evening before his bath but he was NOT pleased about it. Even though our apartment is a cosy 22 degrees he grizzled at me and looked like he was saying " Mother the INDIGNITY of it all. The cats can see my wily!!" He only calmed down when I gave him a towel to partially cover himself with and chew on while I ran his bath!

[Zara1984]

Actually smile DS is much better behaved now we're back in Dublin! He may have Kiwi parents but he is an Irish boy that likes it cold and rainy - the heat just didn't agree with him.

I miss the sun desperately though... My tan lines are fading already!! Enjoy every second of the rest of summer!!

[YompingJo]

Ah,you ladies are on form, you have cheered me right up today! DH is better and had a Daddy In Charge day yesterday and took dd overnight so I feel much refreshed. Unfortunately my attempts to keep me and dd away from his germs failed, she now has her second cold in a month (so much for ebf babies getting ill less...) and I failed to capitalise on the opportunity to get more sleep, instead lying awake enjoying hot and cold flushes and aching limbs. Ah well.

Londonmrss, glad move is all done. Drink wine!

Cherrycherry eek at huge baby . I also had a slow labour at 15 days overdue with a big baby but my 9lb seems small in comparison!

Elpis, so glad your DH stepped up and that you're going to have a chat, how did it go?

Sleep is so weird. Trying hard to read dd' s tired cues and get her down for naps at right times for her but it is very hit and miss. Sometimes even the first yawn and eye rubbing seems to be too late resulting in an overtired screamathon and very unsettled (and consequently short) sleep, but sometimes it seems to early resulting in trying to settle a wide awake dd who is chatting and not seeming tired!

With night sleep, we had been putting her to bed at 8 but she has started to be wide awake at 5am so last night we moved bedtime back to 10pm with an evening nap. Woke her at 8, normal bedtime routine, sleep at 10... usual night wakings for feeds... still wide awake chatting at 5am . How does that work??? She's happy enough to lie in her cot and talk to herself, and will even drift back off to sleep for 20 mins at a time, wake and repeat until we get her up at 7 but it makes for a tricky morning as by the time she seems tired enough for her morning nap she has already been awake(ish) for much longer than usual, so she is overtired and then the rest of the day is tricky. How do I get her to start sleep until 7am? Doesn't seem to make much difference if I feed her at 5am or not. Babies are weird!

Beccus, ignore your HV! You are right that her advice makes no sense, it smacks of just telling you what she has been told to tell you - it would be interesting to hear what she'd say if you challenged her advice. (I'm spoiling for a fight today and your HV seems like a perfect candidate!)

What does cup training involve? The Battle of the Bottle wages on here. DH thinks he may have had a tiny bit of success with a Playtex bottle with latex teat yesterday but she clearly hate the taste of SMA formula and that isn't helping. I was expressing milk for him to try to bottle feed her with but as it wasn't working I just ended up wasting milk and about with my supply so we bought some formula for him to practise with. Think we need to try with expressed milk again. I like the tip from Angelico's baby group about giving her the sippy cup when I have a drink, although my baby does not copy anything at all except raspberries, and only then when she is in a co-operative mood (ie not often!)

[crazypaving]

Jo if you crack the early mornings let me know! as least we're not getting up at 3.30 any more, but 5 is still a bit too early for me ta.

[londonlivvy]

Hi everyone. I've been reading but not had time for posting as dd has been clingy and somewhat challenging of late. I looked it up in the wonder weeks and it seems I have four more weeks of this. I'm starting to hate that book. Makes me dread it before it even happens. Anyway, sleep is also rubbish and I am so so tired and weepy and argh.

Also, I hate weekends. DF spends the entire time in his study and I get hideously lonely, doing various walks to the shops so at least we chat to the lady on the till. He emerges ( if we are lucky ) at lunchtime for a brief chat then again for twenty mins at bath time and then at 730 for supper. Great. At least during the week there are mother and baby groups to go to. Seeing non baby friends is tricky because they want to hang out for four hours or whatever and I don't have four hours worth of energy in me. A hour and a half of sociability suits me fine. They all live over ten miles away though in London so it's understandable they want to make the most of the journey.

I have started dd on the hypoallergenic formula, very diluted in my milk, as per dietician s advice as it is disgusting (the smell makes me gag) and can cause green poos and epic wind while they get used to it. Anyway, I've managed three days of 1 in 5 and hoping to up that to 2 in five and so on. When I know she'll drink it neat i will be able to start dropping breastfeeding . I'm only doing formula at one feed at the moment as I already have to spend about an hour and a half a day expressing. Dull dull dull. I am amused by those walk about the house systems. Hideous, but useful, undoubtedly! DF isn't massively in favour of putting her on something "so utterly synthetic" but does say "it's your body and I understand that you want it back" which makes me feel like like a selfish bitch. I am planning to have stopped totally at six months, which means we will get to have a two night minimoon (his mum has offered). This will not be possible if I am still bf. I am also not keen on sitting in the loos on my wedding day, expressing, frankly. So yes, it is partly selfish, but it's bloody stressful this reduced diet thing and I hate expressing and I hate these hideous 32j cup bras and I hate leakage and argh, and I hate worrying about accidentally eating something bad that causes her pain.

DF and I had a massive fight last night which was fun too. He gets cross with not going out for meals. Nobber. I bloody love that too but am too sodding tired and with my diet I can't really eat out anyway. We ended up ordering thai takeaway. I spent twenty mins going through the menu with the man, who was super nice, and eventually thought that pad thai, with no soy, was my best option (it wasn't on the menu but it was a stir fry that I like). I got four mouthfuls in before realising it has egg in. Arse. So had to pump and dump and then make myself baked beans on toast. And still worry about upsetting DD's tum cos of the amount I'd eaten. We would have had a much nicer meal if he'd just have let me cook a good meal. Sigh. Anyway, it was a stupid fight, made worse through tiredness and frustration.

Wedding isn't til may, smile4me, but there's a lot to do and all the family politics to manage. Lots of questions about shall I wear this and is your mum wearing that. And I just think "I don't sodding care. Wear what you like". We're also having all his family (mum, partner, sister, half sister, dad, step mum) to stay for a week. Lord knows where I'm supposed to put them all or how I'm to feed etc for a week. Argh. Meanwhile DF is pissed off cos only one if his friends have replied and all mine have. How exactly am I to fix that???

Wow. Massive rant. Sorry ladies. I need sleep, but failing that, wine. Elpis says it's ok so I shall tell DF to wind his neck in if I get a disapproving glance!!

Londonmrss I hope the move went ok.

[Londonmrss]

hey livvy, sorry top near about your dp being a nobber. are weekends always going to be like this? I remember the wedding politics well. my DH wanted to invite his whole family including everyone's ex-wives and neighbours... so our wedding would have been my family of 6 and then his family of 6 hundred. Eventually we said fuck it, it's our wedding and we had only 8 guess to the ceremony and then 200 at the party.

so as I no longer live in London I'm thinking about going for a name change. any ideas? I was thinking MummyOfTheShitMachine but it's not very catchy.

[Londonmrss]

oh and livvy I feel a bit angry with your dp not being keen on formula. When he has tits, he might be allowed to comment but until then he should do nothing but 100% support your choice. Men have no idea what it can be like so they don't get a vote on the feeding front, just like childbirth. Everything else can be shared, but these things are for us with the vaginas and tits to decide.

[squidkid]

livvy You sound very fed up.
Breastfeeding is (has become) very important to me... but I am a total foodie and the thought of going on such a restrictive diet.... I don't know if I could do it. And I hate expressing.
I think wine is ok too, I have a glass most nights, Jess is happy and thriving

Londonmrss can you call yourself DoYourPelvicFloors
Hope the move went ok?

A weekend of ups and downs here but mostly good in the end. Boyfriend was being pointlessly negative about all the stuff I suggested doing on Friday night. He said he wanted to stay in all weekend and chill out, and I got grumpy because Jess needs stimulating or she gripes. Anyway, I got my way. We went to Ikea yesterday and bought stuff and had lunch there and swung by my brother's on the way home, which was nice until I knocked boiling hot coffee over Jess
It was only a splash in the end but she screamed and I felt horrendous. She was fine after a feed (I view milk as the cure for everything)
It shook me up a bit though

Today we went out into the Peaks, boyfriend had been very negative about this as well, claiming Jess was "too young" (for what? to be carried around? idiot)
But it was a marvellous day, gorgeous and still and clear and sunny, 8 or 9 miles around the reservoir and over the high moors and past the dams. Exercise seems to make everything better and we are all in a great mood now. As you cover the miles conversation always seems to turn from bickering to deep and interesting and loving again. Endorphins maybe...
I really do love my life right now. I could have had a kid earlier and I don't think it would have worked out so well, I think I would have missed going out more. This is just the right time for us. I love spending time with her, I love the variety and freedom and ease my life has right now, I love the new challenges and I feel a bit bad because I know so many people on this forum are struggling with stressful situations and are knackered... but I have just been so CHRONICALLY tired and upset and low for so many years, and somehow this just feels like an absolute break to me, this is without a doubt the longest period of sustained happiness and good mental health I've had for years and years.
Jess is being a superstar, I never thought I would have such an amazing little girl.
Would just like to get my body back (getting there; and I do more or less have my fitness back); be able to enjoy sex again; and arrange part time work with the hospital so I stop freaking out about going back in August.