October 2012 babies - over here nobbers!

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This really will be the thread where all our babies start sleeping through the night... right?!

Nice catch up Cherry! Glad you getting to groups! Really should go to something else myself.

I can't bear the thought of jeans shopping. Still in my maternity pairs, though they are massive and fall down and are a PITA when it's raining/snowing and I get soggy bottom cuffs. But I'd rather that than the trauma of trying on new pairs and the inevitable crying in the changing rooms

I've been thinking about this a lot - all this exercise we're doing and self-imposed pressure to lose weight. LECTURE ALERTLECTURE ALERT I know, I know, from being an overweight teenager and then in my twenties suddenly gaining a nice figure somehow and wearing pencil dresses with a big ass and small waist, and wearing high waisted pencil skirts and trousers and nice big chiffon blouses, I know how nice it feels to feel slim, within your own body's comfort range. It's a lovely feeling and it means so much when it's not something you can just take for granted.

But please ladies, please look after yourselves before you do yourselves a mischief! I mentioned it to DH last night and in his professional opinion, all this daily exercise is no good. When he trains people for fights or marathons or triathalons or whatever, he doesn't let them train every single day - he makes them have rest days. "Active rest" days that maybe involve a good flexibility session or gentle yoga or something. Fitness and slimness doesn't happen overnight - it takes ages and we have put our bodies through this massive thing of pregnancy/labour/breastfeeding. We've done our marathon already. Things like the 30 day shred, exercising every single day - I really honestly believe are just no good. Yes, you might get through it, you might lose weight, but you're putting your body under huge stress and it will go into survival mode.

I'm not saying it works for everyone and I know this is very preachy But please - I implore you - slow down. The weight will come off in time. The fitness will come back in time. I say this as someone who is currently 2 stone over my comfort zone, and gets up like an old lady :(

Sorry, just it's bothering me so much - what we measure ourselves by, what pressure we put ourselves under. "Exercise" like that will cause you to come a cropper. Physically or emotionally, either way. I think we have a very high achieving group here - I mean that in the nicest possible way, and I include myself in this lecture :) But we're not professional athletes, you know? We don't need to push ourselves to limits like we are to get back to former fitness so quickly. Please - don't hate me for this lecture - I just hate the pressure to look and feel good, and I am just as much a subscriber to that as anyone else, and I don't want any of us to be unhappy or end up creating problems for ourselves further down the line.

What, we don't even get invited in for a cuppa, Huffle?

I'm sure the wriggling and writhing (and near ripping off of nipples) is trapped wind.
DS has just been through this stage again, thankfully calming down now. I can help him burp, but I can't help him fart so I just have to wait for him to get over it naturally.

How do people know when their let-down is? Either mine is immediate or I'm not noticing it... [stupid emoticon]

Well, my night in the spare room didn't happen! I couldn't get to sleep at all (so annoying) and then went back to see them at midnight and then my stupid fucking cat woke jess up by crashing around the house and there were fireworks outside (jan 15? it's not chinese new year yet is it?? ) so she needed a feed, then she snuffled thrashed and snored all night. Hats of to those of you still doing multiple feeds a night, I'd forgotten how shattering it is.

Was feeling sorry for myself at 6.30am as I finished 1.5 hr feed, forced myself to get up to swear at Jillian Michaels DVD. PAH! Feel betterfor working out though.

Going to have a nice little housewife day today. Going to go and buy some food and cook up some bits for a mate who's just had a kid (and her husband spent the entire of his paternity leave in bed with D+V - nice!) Any suggestions of what to cook? What did someone bring over for you that was nice? I might make a cake too.

bella thinking of you today and hope all goes fine.
I think boobs going soft just means supply has regulated. I hope so, I don't miss the Jordan look!

orenisshi I think there's probably a lot of truth in what you say and I've been thinking about it a bit too, whether I'm pushing myself too hard or inadvertantly encouraging others to do the same...

I do my exercise more for my mental health than my physical health sometimes, I am a bit lost without it. I get low and the endorphins help a lot.

I also come from a very effortlessly skinny family, I am the only one who has ever been overweight, and they all married skinny people too, and the person I see most who has had babies is my sister-in-law has to buy kid's clothes and struggles to find clothes small enough even when heavily pregnant (and loses it all immediately and says it's down to breastfeeding). I don't envy that, but it skews things.

I think I do do too much (and probably eat too little, though I'm better at making sure I eat these days, I went through long periods of not eating much -but remained a normal size so no one ever really worried about me)

so my body didn't come easy (and was never spectacular, though I was extremely fit) and I miss it, but I also feel guilty about all the stuff you say (particularly if I've been pushing it to the group here) and I kind of wish Jess was a boy for all the above reasons.

I don't know, I'm rambling.

No Cherry, I need the day off. But I'll have cake ready when you bring him back, ok? Thanks

Aw Huffle, I'd love to, would be great to see mini yomping next to another tall baby! Hope things get better quickly.

Sleep slowly getting back to how it was, had a 3-2-1 (hour between feeds) night before last then 4.5-2 last night so going in the right direction again, and my mum visited yesterday and it's fab to see how thrilled she is with mini yomping.

I lasted 3 mins with the not swaddling , solved the potential rolling over problem by wedging her in with rolled up towels. Good to know swaddling helps her sleep. Bad to know it's something we'll have to train her out of at some point.

Who was it who is suddenly having bath time problems? us too, in fact it has never been enjoyable here. I started a thread about it in parenting and got some useful responses - do a search for thread title something like 12 week old dd hates tummy tub

And yes. Think combo of wind, teething and tiredness. Sure you can sort that all when you take him. Thanks again.

And we have to go to work this morning. Gah. Already way way behind

ps. i wish your dp would write us a fitness programme. I have no idea what i'm doing....

Well said Orenishii (and Mr Orenishii)

Slow down peeps. ( cos obviously doesn't apply to lazy cows like me who are allergic to exercise)

But seriously, very true. Be kind to battered bodies
Xx

squid, my let down really hurts! it feels like really intense painful pressure throughout the tissue of both boobs about 30 seconds after she starts to feed. at that point she either relaxes and starts swallowing, or coughs and splutters and spits milk in my face.
perfectly normal not to feel anything though! the painful let down has only started recently for me.

feeding still really difficult here. she didn't feed enough overnight so had to get up at 4am to express 350ml(!) and couldn't get back to sleep.

am hoping it's just a phase. am feeling very tearful today. it's exhausting having such a battle to feed all the time.

Shit sleep all week. Think I'm being used as a comforter. She's grumpy this morning, I'm grumpy this morning. Still can't tell if I'm ill or just knackard.

Go to sleep nobber baby and you'll feel a lot better

Ok Huffle, I'll pick him up in a bit - he can come and watch Cops with my DS. Just kidding! or am I?

London, I haven't been doing anything in particular, just searched baby yoga and getting ideas from whatever comes up. Some of it is stuff just for babies, some of it is more for mum - normal yoga moves you can do with baby around.

Good advice Oren, thanks. But no need to worry about me, I shan't be doing it more than once everyday, (even though I know that defeats the point) just want to feel like I'm doing something.

And don't you worry either Squid, you haven't encouraged me. I used to watch Australia's Biggest Loser for some reason and heard about it then (and fell rather in love with Bob Harper ), but had no reason to do it til now as I could get out the house and to the gym.

Sympathies london and Bora, wish I could help out in some way.

I can't feel my let down either, but DS does splutter and drown abit soon after latching on.
I do get quite an intense "buzzing" in my boobs at random times during the day now though Just me then?!

I'm supposed to be ironing...

I totally get it squid, and pre DS, when i trained for events, i never over-trained. now i feel compelled to do something with every spare second i have and it's not good. Can you still get the endorphins from gentler exercise like a splash about in a pool or yoga, or does it have to be intense work outs? If you'd really want to, i can put you in touch with DH. I warn you though, it won't be harsh bootcamp style advice, his emphasis is on play and movement, and functional fitness :)

I've lost all confidence with DS. I don't know if it's teething or 12 week growth or what but he seems so unhappy. Feeding, sleeping, playing - i feel like i don't know what i'm doing. i feel like he thinks i hate him or don't love him...all he wants is for me to love him and i know this is ridiculous - he doesn't actually think these things...i don't know. last night he screamed unless i was holding him, and all i wanted was some space.

What you've said is really interesting Oren. I am wondering whether I'm being a complete idiot ignoring the physio's advice to wait another 6 weeks before continuing to run...my (admittedly very mild) prolapse has come back in the last week or so.

Problem is if I stop I worry that I'm just making excuses for myself and that I'm going to be fat forever. I don't know what to do

Thanks Cherry - just offer up a prayer to the God of Sleep and join me in a rousing rendition of the This Too Shall Pass chant

Anyone seen Zara lately? Hope her and her boy are okay.

Are any of you having a Christening?

I'm thinking of having a naming ceremony. And by ceremony I mean piss up...

Bora there's no way you'll stay fat forever! I can tell by your posts that you love to be fit - it will come back, it won't stay like this forever. I too have a mild prolapse and there's no way i can run right now.

Look at it this way - exercise to be healthy, not for slimness. If you've run yourself into the ground - literally - you're not healthy :)

I spent my teens dealing with an eating disorder, and I still really struggle to know what is acceptable and what is bonkers in terms of diet and exercise. I need to use others as a litmus test as I can't trust my own judgement with this. I found running a few years ago and it's be fabulous for shifting my focus (as many of you have related to) from what I look like to what I can do. I think I'm a bit frightened of that being taken away from me.

I think this might be the external confirmation that I need to let off the running for a while. If you too have a prolapse and won't run then I should take that to mean that my ignoring the physio is silly.

Sorry for getting a bit deep. Christ I'm tired

Is anyone else losing loads of hair?! Mine was baby fine pre pregnancy, but am now shedding loads. I'm sure it'll end up worse than ever at this rate

bora interesting you should mention christenings. Was just thinking that yesterday. We are not at all religious but would be nice to have a naming day. Don't know if should try and have some kind of ceremony or just a party thou . Was looking on the humanist website for ideas as went to humanist funeral last year.

squid I get a tingly feeling down the right side of right boob (regardless of which side). But also bf support ppl gave me this website address www.nbci.ca which has videos of sucking vs drinking at the breast and when you know what to look for it's obvious when letdown starts. Agree lots feel nothing thou!

wooly I've just put the feelers out we've decided to have a Welcome Party Probably going to hire a room in a pub, get a nice cake and decorate and stuff. Considered a hall but you'd end up paying more for people's drinks (seems less tight to make people get there own in a pub than bring a bottle in a church hall!) and I think you have to work quite hard to create atmosphere!

I need a project to save me from going bonkers

bora no christening here as we're atheists. but we may have a party at some point. the only reason we got married was to have an excuse to get our two families (from two different countries) together in one room to eat and drink lots- a baby seems like the perfect chance to do it again. what are you planning?

Blimey you ladies post fast!

Baby groups - we go twice a week and I'm one of those annoying ones who asks lots of questions of the experienced mums. DD is the youngest but lovely to see what is ahead. It is really hard to go from chatting to making real friends but I finally built up the courage to ask one of the mums round for a coffee so hopefully that will go ok.

Christening - we are have a CofE christening in a few weeks, just a little affair with about 20 people but want to give DD godparents and have a little celebration with family as we live 600 miles from most of them.

Lots of snow here, hope we get more next year when DD is old enough to enjoy it and build snowmen. Out for a dog walk in -8 degrees yesterday!

My over supply is no longer a issue as DD is no longer sleeping through, that was a shock to the system. Sleeps last night were 1-2-3 then 4, don't they normally do it the other way round???

Thinking of those going to back to work now or anytime in the near future, I can only just bring myself to Log onto my laptop let alone engage my brain enough to do anything useful!

Has anyone else got any worries about their maternity cover? My job involves lots of forecasting and when I popped in on work before Xmas my cover said it had all gone out the window now I'm worried about going back and the work load I'm going to have.

Sorry this is a bit me me me but I'm on my phone and can't remember who said what still getting used to this MN thing!!