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lisbethsopposite · 08/12/2012 01:11

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Londonmrss · 19/12/2012 16:02

bora I'm thinking about losing weight. I just can't be arsed to actually do it right now. I've got about the same to lose.
honestly I find it really difficult. I've had a few food related issues in the past. fitness and weight loss is something I've only been able to do in an obsessive way in the past- like obsessively exercise daily, control food etc. because of bf I have to be more sensitive and balanced and I honestly don't know how. I'm just trying to make sure I put lots of good things in my body and get out walking every day but so far it doesn't seem to be shifting. taking care of a baby doesn't really leave much time for thinking about this stuff.

BoraBora · 19/12/2012 16:07

London I'm exactly the same. I had an eating disorder in my teens, so I know I need to be careful. I swing between "fuck it, DD is only 7 weeks old and it's Christnas" to "oh my god, I'm so fat what if I never lose weight oh my god I need to stop eating". I've never really been one for the middle way!

Hmm. DD seems to have been asleep all day (though has woken for feeds). Had jabs on Monday, but seemed fine after them. Should I be worried? No temperature, was a bit wingy earlier before I let her go back to sleep. DH has a cold, but DD isn't snotty or anything. Hmm Confused

Twobuttonsaway · 19/12/2012 16:23

Bora and London, I am with you on the weight loss thing - I have 2 stone to shift, one DS2 and the one I never shifted with DS1!!! Hmm Really hard to work out what to do with BF. contemplating weightwatchers after Xmas, but may wait until post BF.... Except I have hardly any clothes that fit and a wardrobe full of stuff that doesn't! HmmConfused

On plus side DS2 now up to 121/2 lbs, just need to get DS1 (aged 4) over his horrible cough and cold. He hasn't eaten a proper meal since Sunday - shame I can't donate some of my 2st - now wouldn't that be fab!!

Hope you all have tranquil evenings. Smile

Orenishii · 19/12/2012 16:32

Oh don't even talk about weight :( Every since my mum put the fear of god into me told me that your milk can dry up if you don't eat properly, I've been scoffing for England. I've eaten more bread in the last 7 weeks than I have in about 4 years! The whole paleo approach is out the window - still eating a lot of steaks and stuff, but been having way too much processed stuff too :(

I reckon I'm still a couple of stone overweight. But - I think what's harder to bear is being so weak. I feel like an old woman. I still hobble out of bed in the morning, still getting shooting pains in my pelvis and hips, have RSI in both wrists, it's horrible. I used to be so active - I used to be able to monkey climb a fucking rope up to the ceiling. Now it takes a good couple of minutes to get myself up off the floor.

Orenishii · 19/12/2012 16:42

Also. It is incredibly difficult to cut parsnips quietly. DH and I had all these grand ideas about baby rearing - that we'd not creep around when DS was sleeping. But oh how quickly you start whispering and tip-toeing when there's the possibility of them sleeping!

BoraBora · 19/12/2012 17:51

oren does your RSI predate pregnancy? My wrists have become really painful and clicky since birth. My knees are agony too!

DD still sleeping. Should I be concerned. DH says not. I'm bit so sure.

Orenishii · 19/12/2012 17:58

Bora no it started right after the birth. I have painful lumps under the skin, and knees are painful too. I think yhe wrists are from bfing...and plus, if we're bfing all our ligaments and tendons are still soft and stretchy.

BoraBora · 19/12/2012 18:07

Argh!! I have really painful clicky lumps, on my wrist below my thumbs! They don't tell you this shit, do they?

BoraBora · 19/12/2012 18:08

And due to the aforementioned weight issues I want to get back to running, but all the achy bits of me tell me not to!

Orenishii · 19/12/2012 18:15

Gargh no they bloody don't! Picking up DS is agony, and when i cradle him, his head is right on them. Sounds like we have the exact same thing :(

WantAnOrange · 19/12/2012 18:31

Orenishii that is an old wives tale! Your milk would only dry up if you lived with extreme malnutrition, either severe eating disorders or famine. Also, your body gives to your baby before it gives to you so you'd have to become extremely ill first, before your milk would change. There is practically no difference in the quality of a woman's milk between those living in the UK. My MIL has mentioned my milk drying up several times because of DD refusing the bottle. She keeps saying that if my milk dries up tomorrow she'll have to take a bottle. Why would my milk dry up tomorrow?

I still eat like a pig though.

Zara1984 · 19/12/2012 19:00

You're all amazing, thank you. I need to figure out who's the right person to call (especially over Christmas with everything shut etc) given I'm straddling 2 different countries' healthcare systems etc. I don't know if I do have PND but I could well have the startings/roots of it, if that makes sense? Like if I didn't watch myself if could very well turn into depression. I had depression in the past so I know the warning flags.

Ok so after all that - DS slept through to 6am. Confused A few snuffles at 2am and 4am but he stayed asleep. So that means he slept from about 9.30pm to 6am. So I was feeling confused but proud of DS and gave him a bottle at 6am which he hungrily slurped. Too eagerly, unfortunately, as he promptly threw up all over himself afterwards... like a reallly bad vom, covered his face with vomit while he was lying down and it got in his eyes etc :( poor thing. I had to give him another bath and a cuddle he was so upset with himself for vomiting, and then he went to sleep. Confused WTF, babies are weird. So having a very very very very strong cup of coffee with shaky hands.

yomping I'm going to check out those books. My mother had a very very violent temper and I don't want to repeat that. I was so frightened my whole childhood of my mother and I don't want DS to ever feel like that. I was horrified when I raised my hand to throw that muslin as I just recognised my own mother in myself. Just awful.

huffle shit, what am I complaining about when you're busy managing the stress of your own business! Arrrgh re your receptionist, but yay for your DH being able to step in to help where he can. Can you possibly express on the morning eg of the interviews and arrange for DH/friend/family member to look after DS? Eg schedule interviews so you can express quickly every 2-3 hours between interviews. It's ok not to sterilise expressing stuff between every single expression, I was told.

Another day... time to soldier on. DH arrives on Sunday morning. He is really feeling bad that he's not here to help me.

Sigh as for DMIL's comments - she is a lot bit batty now she's in her late 60s - DH and I have raised that she needs to think before she talks as she doesn't realise she's being insensitive but she honestly just forgets. Confused She is 70% of the time useful, 30% the time a total pain in the ass. I could keep on and on at her like a stuck record that she's being insensitive and upsetting me, she would apologise profusely but then 2 hours later forget and say the same thing.... Am finding DFIL to be really good right now. DMIL is all like "ohhhh aren't babies sweetness and light blah blah blah" but DFIL is like "he's great fun, but yeah it's a total pain in the ass when he cries constantly, so confusing for you. But you're doing great". Which is what I need to hear to cope, rather than all this "ohhhh who cares if he vomits 5 times in a row and shits on your hand and won't go to sleep, look at his little ickle button nose!" As in, an acknowledgement that sane rational adults don't have unlimited patience for crying/vomiting/upset babies.

DMIL's SIL is here right now and she figured I had a rough night (even though she joined in the jovial mockery last night). Similar to what woolybob said, she said that you could see (but never of course excuse) how people could hurt their babies when you are tired and at the end of your tether when they are being colicky. I remember there was a few years ago and at the time I was like "who would ever be tempted to shake their baby?! It's just a baby! How can their crying be THAT upsetting?? Just go make a cup of tea..." - ohhhh boy have I had an education since then!

So in summary: THANK YOU all and YAY FOR OTHER PARENTS BEING HONEST as a coping mechanism. This perfect patient mother shite can fuck right off to fuck off town, and when it gets there it can fuck off some more.

squidkid · 19/12/2012 19:01

I want to work for huffle and yomping's wrapping business. Just as a junior mind, I'm not that slick, and cannot compete with OCD corners or posh-boutique-esque flourishes, but god I love wrapping presents. Wasn't it someone on this thread (midget?) whose daughter wanted to feed horses for a living? I could do that too.

I probably have about a stone to lose and get sad about it frequently. I am eating fairly carefully and not too much (milk seems fine) and exercising and I don't mind either, but it don't seem to be doing much... appearance wise, anyway. Fitness has increased drastically which is something. At least we are all in the same boat!!! I have been spending too much time with my sis-in-law who is just 5 foot and was around 6 st pre-pregnant and lost all her baby weight fairly soon after her first kid, I just feel like a whale. Sympathies with londonmrss, it's really hard not to over-exercise when I start, I find.

Thought I was over my cold, but am a bit exhausted after a couple of days with a guest (he is low maintenance, but still) and wondering if it is acceptable to go to bed before 7pm. Boyfriend is out at theatre (jealous). Jess is in bed next to me... if I fall asleep she probably will too...

squidkid · 19/12/2012 19:05

Zara am glad you are feeling a bit better, and that baby slept well (for once). And especially glad you will have your DH soon...

I told my boyfriend that I didn't love Jess when she was 3 weeks old. That still haunts me. He got right upset.

londonlivvy · 19/12/2012 20:15

In haste because I need to sleep. Yes It's 8pm. Rock and roll..

I love wrapping pressies but am shit at it. Too rough and i get impatient with awkward shapes and just slap on sellotape and hope for the best...

MIL is here. I have done a fair amount of delegating and as a result finally got time to do a proper yoga session. So delighted. Had been doing 10 - 15 mins every day with DD but that was much more of a compromise and less about what I wanted. Hurrah for grandmothers. Having said that, I think a month of having her around all the time could feel like a long time. I like my space! I will just need to work out a cunning way of making the most of her being around (and my ability to express) without abusing her good nature.

Huffle much sympathy re receptionist.

Zara you are a bloody champ. Vomit, screaming and poo and even mother Teresa would need to count to ten.

Re weight etc, I'm not doing too badly as I walk a lot but I.feel like my body is just a different shape. I used to have muscle tone... Humn. But I hope to do regular yoga whilst MIL is here and get some of that back. Xmas temptations will be easier to resist as I need to remain dairy free. Which rules out a lot of things I love and would eat too much of. Silver lining etc.

Impressed by all you swimmers. I am a bit vain about being seen in public with wobbly bits. And DD doesn't have jabs til Jan.

Right. Must sleep. So so tired.

hufflepuffle · 19/12/2012 20:15

Showered. Exfoliated. Hair deep conditioned. Eyebrows plucked. New jammies. God I feel great. Gawd, I'm easily pleased by the most simple things now.

And what does DH do with DS whilst I get this me time?? Puts him in the swing to sleep whilst he updates car insurance online......... Ok...... There's another nights sleep royally fucked up then!!

Will read later whilst I feed.......

MickeyTheShortOne · 19/12/2012 20:31

for those still aching and whatnot, i was informed the other day that if you are BF, the same hormones produced in pregnancy are produced while you are BF. My aunty was told to stop BF as she had SPD so badly, and continuing to BF would have ensured that her hips never recovered.
I would like to be a customer of this wrapping business, i enjoy it, dont get me wrong, but i.can.only wrap square thingsGrin

How do you wrap circle shapes things?! My uncle's tin of cadbury heroes looks like the reject wrapped gift from santas factory. Lol!!

cheesymonster · 19/12/2012 20:32

Hi all

Does anyone have any tips on moving a sleeping baby from car seat to Moses basket?! Baby cheesy falls asleep in the car and I don't like leaving her in the car seat once I'm home (although I have done a couple of times when I've driven her about to get her to go to sleep). Every time she wakes up all pissed off when I move her and there's no getting her back down. But move her from basket to car seat and she's perfectly happy!

MickeyTheShortOne · 19/12/2012 20:34

RE weight: I wouldn't have a clue how much I have to lose. Just do what I do, don't have scales in your houses! Wink

Zara1984 · 19/12/2012 21:02

livvy - glad your MIL visit is getting off on the right foot! My advice - make sure she gets out of the house at least once a day, even for a quick walk. And TELL her when you want quiet time on your own Smile

Orenishii · 19/12/2012 21:07

cheesy I have the same problem only it's moving ds from my arms to the basket. I have yet to eat this evening. Thank god for slow cookers! I feel like I am really clumsy with him and I've no idea how to get the head down with minimal movement from my arm.

hufflepuffle · 19/12/2012 21:41

Squid I am sorry but by the sounds of it your wrapping skills are not up to scratch. You may love doing it but if we are going to create a successful business all wrappers must be anally retentive perfectionists very precise. Think the NHS would miss u too much too.

And u can lie down in bed to sleep and Jess will sleep too???? Good lord. That's not a baby, that's an angel!!!! Mr demanding here would wriggle for 5 mins then start screaming in boredom!

Yay for Zara feeling better, having understanding adults who aren't MIL and for DH coming on Sunday!!!! Oh there will be tears!!!

Yay for Livvy MIL!! Practice speaking your mind now so u not biting tongue in 2 weeks!!! So great for you to have help.

Right, good night all. Hope you hav successful sleeps!

hufflepuffle · 19/12/2012 21:43

Oh and Orenishii Hee Hee for great intentions!! We were not bathing daily, whispering, tip toeing or waiting for baby to sleep before putting down. And a million more. Oh the naïveté!!

Orenishii · 19/12/2012 21:53

wantanorange damn I almost liked having to eat so much ;) But I thank you for the reassurance. I asked Dh the other day if ds could drink me dry because it sure does feel like it!

mickey your poor aunt! My hip and pelvis pain is from ds being back to back but yes that's exactly what I was getting at re bfing and ligaments.

I just did that same noise of the half whistle half coochie noise I make to my cat while trying to get ds's attention while on the loo and he was crying. Note to self - ds is not a cat!

Londonmrss · 19/12/2012 22:00

good for you huffle on taking some time for yourself! my DH does that too- I specifically tell him she needs to stay awake for the next hour until her bath, and rather than doing suo, he rocks her to sleep and gets on the
computer! it's annoying because it often seems like he just wants her to be asleep- even though she's not a baby who cries a lot and she loves to be chatted to and sung to and he sometimes can't be bothered even though I spend every waking hour doing that! I look forward to her naps because I can stop talking inanely art her and just relax. hmm. rant over.

livvy, I'm in favor of taking full advantage of the in laws! when my mil arrived recently, I practically the three baby at her so I could go have a bath!