July 2010: Drool it, maul it, crawl over it - that's how our threadbabes would eat a creme egg. But why the Creme Egg?!

[CakeandRoses]

Will that do us?

/panic

Does anyone want a 2 day pass to fitness first? we don't have one any where near us so it'll just get binned otherwise

LOL at tiny shitty balls!

tsc add me to the people who are finding tiny shitty balls very funny! she must have heard it from somewhere?!?!?!
mlic i would love to take the dont go then literally, ive just been to my icing course, and mum had L at mine and mil knocked the door with her very pissed up weatherspoon going husband, mum wasnt impressed, he thought the puppy was my dog that died 10 months ago, only about a foot in size difference!?!?! I will be going but if she treats L indifferent to her other gc or we end up sitting in the pub then im going to tristans house in tenby (my man that died had a house there and i will call his mum for the key as they have kept it for a seaside hideaway) failing that if they are away I will probably make dh the designated driver and get pissed and cause a scene!!! dh said his sister will be there so it will be ok, this is the sister that didnt mind them taking her daughter to the pub all day on a monday so she got free childcare!! just rang dh told him about mum seeing fil pissed and he is humiliated, which im glad about!!
cake thanks for clearing it up about the lentils having never used them didnt have a clue, hope dh will eat a pie that is green inside! need to substitute parsnip as he wont eat them but wont do a chulita and add ham instead!!!

Thanks for the sympathy kk and the pep talk and the viennese whirl and tea chulita. It's not that I feel like I'm a crap mother cos I'm neglecting her or anything.

It's because I've failed to teach her to play on her own, I've failed to teach her to have patience, I've failed to teach her not to think that mummy can always, always be there and be there a 100%. Now she expects me to be with her all the time. I can't leave her to play at my feet to cook something or put laundry up, never mind leaving the room. She doesn't stay with anybody else other than DP. If I let her to cry, she gets into such a fit, that the whole day will be ruined cos she won't be able to snap out of it once she got going. That's why I'm a failure. I've left it too late and I don't even know when I should have started it. And now I have another one coming and I WILL have to leave M sometimes and she's gonna resent the baby for it cos she's never had it done to her before. I couldn't stop crying all day and now have a major headache.

Again, I'm so sorry for this me, me, me post. Please don't feel you have to respond, I just wanted to explain how I feel.

On a positive note, my next ultrasound is tomorrow and I will probably know after whether we'll have a boy or a girl. That's very exciting.

I hope you are feeling better stac. Not nice to feel sick with a baby around.

spirael Sounds like July's gonna be party overload. But it's nice that you can celebrate it with all your family around, especially with your plans of emigration. Any news on that btw?

DH How is D now? Any better?

WSS How is G's tongue? Poor baby. I hate it when I hurt the inside of my mouth, but thankfully it heals really quickly.

Work meeting cake? Is it for when you go back in July? Good luck with it anyway.

Have a nice evening all.

trudy yeah he is a bit better thanks, still moany but nowhere near as bad!

totally agree with mlic there trudy. you're being so hard on yourself, my love.

I 100% believe you can't make a clingy baby 'learn to be happy' by not picking them up/going to them. And you aren;t responsible for her being that way in the first place either - it;s just luck of the draw and governed to an extent by your and your dh's personalities (not saying you cry whenever dh leaves the room tho ) amongst other things.

My two were/are very chilled, happy babies but tbh i think that had bugger-all to do with anything we've done with them, they probably just take after dh and i who are both light-hearted and silly (eg we all just had a dance round the kitchen after dinner to 'the leg bone's attached to the thigh bone' [smooth emoticon]). i've never left either of them to cry so it;s not like they've learned to be happy on their own, i was just lucky that they were like that naturally.

my close friend's dd (same age as F) was a total mare as a baby, cried at everything but she's now a gorgeous, happy, bright 2.5yo.

post more later... dinner time

Trudy I worked with under-2's for 6 years as my job and 10 month olds generally don't play by themselves, they don't have patience, they do think that mummy will always be there! They're still babies!

My first dd was quite independent and could be put down to play, my second one isn't and spends half the day on my hip (especially since Tonguegate).

I have looked after them both in exactly the same way and one is just a bit clingy and one isn't. You have not failed in anything. I cannot stress this enough - I looked after 20 under-2's every day - they still need lots of attention at this age.

Yeah, sometimes I have to leave one to cry while I get something for the other one but it's ok, they survive!

It's the weirdest thing, G's tongue seems all better, she is eating anything, drinking from cups and a water bottle but she still won't breastfeed. Very odd. But she only woke once last night and it only took her 15 mins to go back to sleep as opposed to an hour awake x 2 the first night. So maybe I have done night sleep training by accident!

Oh and the non-breastfeeding means I now resemble Dolly Parton (minus the blonde wig and the sequins)

trudy L was a very similar sounding baby to M. She couldn't play by herself, ever, she wanted my attention all.the.time (when we were at home, out of the house she was very outgoing). I just struggled to get anything done, she didn't nap well, she slept even worse. Honestly if I wasn't on the floor directly playing with her she'd be crying. When pg with S I felt so guilty, I thought she'd hate me, hate him, resent him. I hated that she was going to have to share me and that bfing him would take me away from her. I hated that I was betraying her and having another.
Fast forward a year and she's brilliant. She's still incredibly impatient, if something doesn't work for her first time she'll have a strop (whereas S keeps at it til he works it out) but she plays with S sooooo well, they're always giggling together. She did flatly ignore him for the 1st 3 months of her life but now I'm convinced she can't remember life pre-S. She looks after him, finds him toys, tells me when he's 'done poo', goes and pesters him when he's crying in bed after a nap and I've not got around to getting him yet - it's lovely and so different to what I was worried about!
It will work! M won't remember having you all to herself and she'll have someone to play with once your second is a bit older so you won't have to give her your attention all the time.
Sorry for the loooooong post, you just sound exactly how I felt this time last year!

trudy Oh man i do feel for u, i know ur not looking for a response but i feel i have to. I was devestated when i found out i ws pregnant, for so many reasons but mainly fear, fear of the future, fear of wether im going to cope, fear that D will be pushed to one side, that the new baby will have colic like D did and i WONT cope......etc etc. But like everything, u just dont know whats going to happen, M will more than likley be unsettled at first, but wont remember not having the new baby and soon enough it will be normal to her, more normal probably than it will be for u and far sooner.
I think the shear fact that u could be arsed to try to cook something is good enough, i dont! D cries with other people all the time, even close family, its embarassing but what can i do? D is a shocking sleeper and im sure it must be my fault but how, i dont know. I just think ur beating ur self up about stuff thats not ur fault but ur having to deal with the best way u know how. I wonder wether, like all of us on here, u care too much? I really hope ur feeling better about stuff soon, u dont deserve to feel shitty.

mlic :( sorry you've had a sad day!
I've been strangely in a bloody marvellous mood all day and have no idea why, S was up twice last night and then dh woke me up when he went to work early. I might be getting AF in the next couple of days, I'm always on a high just before I get it, no PMT for me!

wss ack! are you going to keep expressing and trying to get her back on the boob? I reckon some babies around this age are looking for any excuse to ditch bfing.
Fwiw, S even cries with his dad if he's in a touchy mood but I don't blame myself, he's only been on this earth 10 months so I don't expect him to have a full grip of much!

I'm not sure what to do tbh. I'm expressing a bit because I have to cos it's bloody painful. She is drinking a bit of ebm from a cup but not much and she is drinking water and cow's milk just as enthusiastically. I won't start night feeding again (hopefully), not sure about day.

I was planning to wind it down when she was about 1 (A stopped at 13 months) but I didn't plan on stopping this abruptly! She seems fine though - not missing it at all - weird as she was having about 4 daytime feeds still and sometimes a couple of little ones at night .

I guess it's not the end of the world if she stops now but I'm hoping the engorgement stops soon, I'm runnign out of cabbage leaves!

Sounds like you've both had fuck-awful days tsc and mlic

mlic what's up? i thought w has been better lately or is it something else?

tsc what's the reason for nursing strikes (according to the booby boards/your training?) F wasn't showing any signs of stopping at 14m and so far A hasn't either.

will you be sad if that's that wrt bf wss or would you be ok with it? just realised that i'd be quite gutted if A stopped right now but any time after 12m i think i'd be cool with.

memph the pie isn;t really green, it's more beigy/brown if anything. green lentils are more khaki lentils really

agree with the others re the mmr but also think chul was sensible to delay it, i might do that with A as F was really ill with it like L. he basically had a 'minor' version of the three illnesses and it then kicked off his eczema. it was pretty awful at the time. A seems a much more robust little soul all round so probably would be fine tho.

That's true about the expressing mlic, I'm just doing a little bit, just when they get really full and painful, I'm expressing as little as possible...but obviously the longer I do it the longer it will take for the supply to diminish. Have you any other tips for dealing with the engorgement? I really did not ever think I would be stopping bfing this suddenly. I think I will keep offering for one more day and if she's still not interested I'll knock it on the head. She will be one in 6 weeks time...and as much as I have liked feeding her, it would be nice to actually not have to be around to feed her all the time...mm..weekend minibreak eh....

cake yes I was quite gutted about it yesterday, felt really emotional about not feeding her. But I was planning to stop "around 12 months" anyway - six weeks away.

wss your now the Dolly of the thread!!! just think how much she has had to pay for hers! hope the pain goes soon though!
cakes im dreading the mmr, ive not met one child that ir doesnt effect horribly, we never had any jabs so this is one im most worried about! Im trying the pie tomorrow! im thinking lovely potatoes and gravy will help disguise the fact that its meat free! going for 1 meal with meat in this week, i did my shop with a list and with a pack of nappies it was £42!!! i will need more milk and bananas as they were bright green though!!
trudyla just wanted to say im thinking of you, cant really add to the fab advice from the others but just vent on here when you need too.
mlic hope you have a better day tomorrow!

been a horrid black cloud hanging over the house :( dh rang his mum to say he was humiliated by her bringing her husband pissed here, she hung up on him then called back later and he couldnt talk to her, he is so quiet and angry/upset! so... im not getting hopeful but the break away is cancelled at the mo, but i fear that he will cool down and it will be back on! so if its still the same by weekend the hotel is getting cancelled!! [fingers crossed]

oh mlic , nudge me on fb if you want to chat.

6 weeks Shhiiiiiiiiiit wss i was in total denial about their ages! you're right, it's 1yr thereabouts anyway! A's one of the youngest on the thread (27th july) but even she's coming up to 10m now. god, i can see me bf her for years at this rate as i won't be able to accept she's not tiny anymore

i always get hormonal and emotional when A just drops a feed so if you're feeling tearful/upset it might be partly hormones too.

OK mlic. I'll see how it goes. Need to go get some ibuprofen today.

Re MMR, they do it at 15 months here and G will be having it. My nephew has autism and he was no different before/after his jabs - I htink the propensity to it is prob there from conception/early foetal development imo.

sounds awful memph but you're not too blame, his family do sound trying to say the least.