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AuldAlliance · 28/01/2011 14:44

Voici FWs!

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bebemooneedsabreak · 17/02/2011 09:54

BB glad you're home and K has hit the ground running, though I know it must be very hard on you!
We're thinking of finding out the sex so I know if I can tell people to stop sending me back all the girls clothes I lent them and MORE!! I mean really, I've got about 10!! bags of clothes in the attic that people gave us just before we left...I certainly did not hand out 10 bags of clothes!

Hope O continues to sleep (or goes back to sleeping. Moo has been very restless at night too. Myabe it's another 'stage.'

I have to say she's completely thwarted any attempts on mine and dh's part to have sex. No matter the time she's suddenly at the door... It's quite a farce I must say. This morning it was 4 in the morning and dh and I just both happened to be awake and even tho I'm not feeling the best we thought we'd just be gentle (I'm as tightly wound currently as I can possibly get Blush and I really need to be close to him!). But just as we're about to really get somewhere she's at the door! I just broke down in tears. Dh growled and tried to laugh it off.
It's very funny if you take some steps back, but G-almighty! it's not great when you're experiencing it. (How my parents ever managed to have 5 kids all about 2 yrs apart is completely beyond me!!)

Zulu maybe a massage would help?

PuzzleRocks · 17/02/2011 13:13

Bebe - I saw your thread. Would a doppler help? I don't know much about them so I could be talking crap but it might give you peace of mind?

bebemooneedsabreak · 17/02/2011 14:53

that might be an option Puzz, need to look into how expensive they are over here.

bebemooneedsabreak · 17/02/2011 16:12

Dopplers: What would cost me 20quid (on Amazon.uk) is going to cost me near 50 euros on Amazon.de (and Amazon.uk won't ship to me) On Ebay it'll cost me 40.

Maybe if we go into a baby store.

RespectTheDoughnut · 17/02/2011 16:54

Get someone to buy it on .uk & post it out to you?

Love to everyone else. Starting divorce proceedings on Monday. Wedding anniversary. How poetic.

PuzzleRocks · 18/02/2011 08:40

Oh RTD, how do you feel?

bebemooneedsabreak · 18/02/2011 11:30

Yeah I was thinking along the same lines RTD... maybe it's silly not sure. Sometimes I think it's all ok and other times I start getting nervous...

Very sorry about the bad timing on the divorce...:( Second what Puzz said, How do you feel?

BabyBolat · 18/02/2011 11:49

You OK RTD?

Bebe I'll buy it for you and post it if you like. Tell me which one you want.

Goodness, I hate the second pregnancy so far. I'm fat, nauseous constantly but unable to be sick, tired and cranky. Also feels so slow - am only 6-7 weeks and feels like so long to go!!! AND Dh has gone to India for work and i am miserable Sad Angry

I know I am being a pathetic child and I need to snap out of it. I am lucky that I am pregnant. But goodness I am in a mood today!

Puzz how is the muscle strain?

Schulte · 18/02/2011 12:50

DN not having op now... they went in to have a better look at her heart and it stopped and they had to reanimate... they decided they couldn't operated. They are going to try and manage her condition (too fast growing heart muscle) with medication now. I might post a thread to learn more...

bebemooneedsabreak · 18/02/2011 15:05

oh Schulte! :( Scary. Blessings from ours to yours. xx

bebemooneedsabreak · 18/02/2011 15:07

BB thank you so much.
Have asked MIL if they would mind sending it on (as I could buy it and have it shipped to them and then they could hopefully turn it around quickly). Not sure I want MIL to know what's going on (she doesn't as she's a neurotic one and would be putting pressure on me/us in tons of little ways) but I figure I could just say I thought it would be fun for Moo to hear the baby to help her leanr/interact... Blush I hate lying, but...

PuzzleRocks · 18/02/2011 16:52

Oh god Schulte. Talk about perspective, I am going to STFU about my poxy chest. A thread is a good idea. I hope it helps.

RespectTheDoughnut · 18/02/2011 17:16

I'm on my iPod so won't write much now. Will head back here later I hope.

Schulte, much love & best wishes to your niece & family. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Not happy about the divorce. He had me living in hope for the last 6 mOnths. I tried not to, but he got convincing. Then he took another, totally secret, woman out for Valentine's. & told an almost hilarious pack of lies abou it. Enough now. He's just taking the piss.

BabyBolat · 18/02/2011 17:29

Schultes as the others have said, hope everything goes ok xxx

RespectTheDoughnut · 19/02/2011 00:37

I'm on my way to bed now, so again a brief, selfish post Blush

Long, embarrassing story short: I have been a complete dickhead & bought into his promises of a happy future for us. Although we're still living separately, we were more or less back together - he was sleeping over maybe once a week (with sex) & I was seeing a lot more of him than that, even. He kept telling me how much he loved me & how he was going to fix everything & we'd live happily ever after & have more gorgeous babies, etc. & I believed it, because I wanted to. I knew it was a huge risk & I wasn't fully comfortable with the situation, because of the risk. My rings have never gone back on, & all that sort of thing. Although he's worn his around his neck for a few months now. He's been having individual Relate counselling & so on. I thought we were likely to be okay, but wasn't 100% sure.

The other part of that is that I've known that I could find somebody better. That I will meet someone who treats me properly & respects me, & all of the rest of it. But I believe in trying to make a marriage work if you possibly can, especially where there are children involved (or at least for me... I'm more 'forgiving' of other people, which is something for me to consider) & I was happy to settle for a life with him, so long as it was good enough. I still love him & being content would have been enough. I was sacrificing 'perfection' to make the best of what we had.

I've been a bit suspicious of him recently, but on Monday night George wanted to phone him & there was no answer. He normally texted me throughout the night / chatted on msn or whatever. The silence was unusual. I became very suspicious. When he eventually phoned me at 12.15 (after several texts & calls from me), he began with 'oh, finally, I've been trying to get hold of you!' & a string of excuses about how his phone was playing up - he had received my messages, but had been unable to send any. & despite me knowing that I'd made multiple calls that had rung out, they'd not registered on his phone. The electricity meter in their flat had run out & the shop was closed to buy more, so he couldn't use his laptop.

I told him that I knew that he was lying. That I thought that he'd been out with another woman, & that I could tell by his voice that he'd been drinking. He swore on my life (!) that he hadn't. Absolutely promised. I'm the only woman in his life, the only one he wanted, blah blah blah.

I said that I didn't believe him. Asked who he spoke to most - me. Then who? Then who? Eventually got to the name of a woman I'd never heard of. Apparently she works near him only on Mondays. I ask lots of questions - he only speaks to her face to face at work. Sometimes about films, otherwise about work. He doesn't have her phone number, never emails her, etc. I tell him I don't believe him. He promises. I tell him that I'm going to log into his Facebook & look at his messages. I say that I'm just going to see who they're from - if she's not listed, I will apologise & drop it. I hear the panic rise in his voice.

I log in to find hundreds of messages between them. I managed to open enough to get the gist, but they miraculously start being deleted (despite no power?!). I point out the strangeness of this & he says (no word of a lie) 'I'm not deleting anything. There weren't any messages, what are you talking about? You're crazy.'

I mean really.

From what I gather, their relationship isn't / wasn't? sexual. Yet. But heavily, heavily flirtatious. Dozens of messages a day, with him talking to her like he spoke to me years ago. Calling her cute & saying that he'd gone on Facebook within 10 minutes of waking up to check for messages from her.

There were two mentions of me in the hundreds of things that I read. One that I had the car that day, & the other that he was still 'technically married, so Valentine's is meaningless' from about 6 weeks ago. Obviously not that meaningless if he was out with her all night that night. I didn't get so much as a 'Happy Valentine's Day' text.

On V Day, I didn't make myself dinner. I cooked for George & went hungry, because I'd got it into my pathetic head that he must be downplaying the whole thing for a reason - I thought that no text / card / anything would mean that he'd surprise me, maybe by bringing some nice food around after work or something. Instead he went out with her.

I feel like a complete twat. I don't even feel that angry with him, I just feel stupid & angry with myself. I should've seen it coming. & the funniest (!) bit? He's the one who's 'dumped' me, because he 'doesn't know who I am any more' because I looked at his Facebook. This from the man who stalked me here (probably still does!) when I was doing nothing but getting support from people who actually gave a shit. I even gave him several chances to talk to me about all of this - to tell the truth, to fight for me, to beg for forgiveness. I'd like to think that I'd have told him to fuck off, but I wouldn't. I would have listened again & put more of my heart & soul into something so destructive. At least his ridiculous indignation have saved me that Hmm

I feel like he cheated on me sexually with the porn & now he's done it emotionally with her. It's two separate incidents which cover all bases. & I let it happen. & to be perfectly honest, I don't know how I'm going to keep strong when he inevitably comes crawling back. I know that he will, weeks or months down the line. I just hope that I've got myself together by then, because I'm in bits. My life is just Not Good right now. & my Grandma is still in hospital & nobody knows what's wrong with her... I know that that sounds a bit stupid & most people have lost grandparents by my age, etc, but I've not lost anyone. The funeral that I went to a couple of weeks ago was the first ever & I barely knew the man who died. He was a relative by marriage who I'd not seen for 13 years. I have never lost anybody close to me. Never. & that's terrifying, even without the rest of my world falling down.

& I fucking hate myself for considering him 'my world'. He's not even worthy. He's a cheating oxygen thief, & I know that. But I'm still crushed. It's stupid.

I'm seeing a counsellor on Wednesday. I'm going private despite being unable to afford it, because I can less afford to wait on the NHS list. I need to get my shit together now.

One other little dismal note before I leave for bed (I'm so sorry to everyone who reads this - really, just ignore me. It helps just to say it.) is that he defended (!) himself by saying 'we don't do Valentine's day - we never have'. I don't do Valentine's day because when I was 16 I had an early miscarriage having got pregnant from Valentine's day sex. He doesn't know that, so it's a bit unfair for me to hold that particular thing against him. But I'm going to anyway. I wanted looking after & cuddling & reassuring about everything. Instead, he was out with his secret mistress.

Wankstain.

Seriously, I'm sorry. I should just delete this, but I need it to be 'out there'. I need all of this to not be in my head. Nobody knows about how close we were getting, nor about the miscarriage dates. I'm seeing a friend tomorrow - the one who knows the most about any of this. That should help, I hope. But this helps. You don't have to reply - this helps as it is.

Love to you all, sorry I'm never here. I'm just like a little black raincloud at the moment. Things have to start getting better soon. xxx

RespectTheDoughnut · 19/02/2011 00:38

Wow, that was the 'long story short', 'brief' post Blush In actuality, that is it cut right down, but still. Wow. I need to go to bed & have some more hilariously classic anxiety dreams (the last two nights have featured being naked in public & teeth falling out... Textbook.)

AuldAlliance · 19/02/2011 12:28

Oh Respect, I am so sorry.

Don't beat yourself up about it, you are not to blame. I can easily see how tempting it is to hope that this relationship, with George's father, will work, even if you do know deep down that you can do better than him. As I once said to DH, in a foolish moment of weakness, as he now trots it out when it suits him, I don't think women are purely logical beings. There is a whome other side, driven by other instincts and urges, which unfortunately allows us to blind ourselves to certain facts we are aware of but try damn hard to ignore.

You really are well rid, honestly. You have so much of your life ahead of you (Envy!] that it would be daft to saddle yourself with unneccesarily toxic elements at this stage.

I hope the counselling helps.

If you ever fancy a weekend away from it all, look up a cheapo flight to Marseille and come and stay here. With George or not.

Sending you supportive vibes.

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PuzzleRocks · 19/02/2011 13:26

"He's a cheating oxygen thief, & I know that."

Do me a favour and print that out and stick in of your fridge!

Fucking hell, you are worth so much more. I am so angry at the way he has treated you. He was punching well above his weight and should have been going to bed every night thanking his lucky stars. You can't save him sweetheart if he's determined to screw his life up. But you can stop him from screwing up George's and yours.
Don't feel stupid, you have no reason to, you are not the deceitful twat here. But do keep going and don't look back.

Auld sums it up well. You are a long time dead.

Jeez, if I were slightly more chick inclined I would be there with bells on Wink You are a catch, you should never have to "settle".

AuldAlliance · 19/02/2011 14:17

apologies for typos.

I am in dire need of a holiday, think my typing reflects that. And MIL is here. Say no more...

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PuzzleRocks · 19/02/2011 14:34

I hope you don't have that poor women cleaning your filthy tub again Wink

RespectTheDoughnut · 19/02/2011 14:59

I love you two. I'm on my iPod again with George playing Superman on my leg, shouting 'up' every time my muscles begin to become agonising & droop HmmGrin so actually will be brief now!

Auld, if you need a holiday, Sheffield is beautiful at this time of year ConfusedWink

& Puzz, my vagina is offended that you find it to be inadequate Shock

Back later xx

AuldAlliance · 19/02/2011 16:26

Nope Puzzle, we have moved on from bath hygiene to a subtle battle over where the cushions on the sofa are to be placed. I keep shifting them back to where they should be, and then finding them re-arranged.

Petty, ou quoi?

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bebemooneedsabreak · 19/02/2011 16:42

Respect-Kisses hugs and lots of love from Germany!
I so understand where your head is and wish I was closer to you and we could have a sit down and chat some more.

You are, and forever will be, a powerful, lovely, gentle and respectful woman and you need someone who has equal power, love, kindness and respect for the world. It is a pity that that other person could not see that and could not be that, and it's a horrible thing to feel disappointment in another and in one's self for not perhaps seeing it at first, or not trusting the little voice which hinted that 'they are not really all I need them to be.' (It is not wrong to need things from other people. It's not wrong to want things from other people.) It is such a terrible loss when you realise that those you put your trust in cannot be what you need or want. But the loss is not your fault really, as you (truly) know, and the counselling will help you figure this out and understand. It is so very true that there will be someone out there who can be those things you need and who you won't have to settle for...

Feel in your heart that place that quivers with expectation, that bit that knows you are doing what is right and good for you and G and fan that spark. Fan it until it's a fire. Let it rage bright and burn away the pain and the guilt that you feel. Feel that which is strong in yourself which has got you through a terrible time before and use it again.

There will be a man out there who is looking to honor you and cherish you like the goddess that you are(and everyone of us is!) And when you find each other you will think back and say with a wry smile, 'live and learn and then truly LOVE'

Give G an extra cuddle and give yourself a few indulgent treats, if only a long glorious minute in bed!
And take heart, we're all here for you too! And we'll help you find a honey tree. ;)

AuldAlliance · 19/02/2011 19:38

Respect, I once went to Sheffield in, ooh, 1992, to visit a former schoolfriend who was studying there.
I remember
(a) that friends of hers lived in a house next to one the Moors Murderer once occupied
(b) that I was told all about the paternoster in the university but never got to see it or try going over the top and
(c) that we went to a huge shopping centre outside town (a relatively new thing in those dark ages) and I bought some bloody lovely trousers which were later stolen in France.

May well be time for a new visit! There must be more to Sheffield than that.

I keep thinking that you should worry less about the doughnut and focus that respect on your good self.

listen to bebe, she is more eloquent than I!

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RespectTheDoughnut · 20/02/2011 00:16

I'm really very drunk right now. Had a gabby night with my best friend & my closest thing to a gayBF, to whom I confessed my 'sins'. Outrage, sympathy & alcohol were forthcoming. Great night. Probably doing a bigger one next weekend ( no G to get up for - look on the broghtside!) so right now I feel netter. Or better. Stupid drunk typing on a touchscreen Wink Going to bed before I get maudlin. Thank you bebe. Will respond properly to you all soon, I promise. It's just hard to get a chance right now. Monday at the latest I think. Auld, I LOVE your little battle with MIL. It's good to know that she has her priorities straight. I hate to think of George growing up & marrying a woman who doesn't arrange cushions properly. What a terrible fate. & there's always a small cosy flat awaiting any FW who wants to visit. Honestly. I could do with the company Wink