April 2009 Episode 14 "Operation Kill is standing down."

[AuldAlliance]

Voici FWs!

Wrote a long post and lost it when it didn't load. poo.

Basically:
BB really feel for you. Moo's not been sleeping well because of nightmares so I've been up loads last few nights. I'm very zombie like too and that's even after I had an 'emergency' coffee.
I used pillows and made a 'nest' for myself when my hips/pubic were all wonky. One of the best things I found was actually putting some behind me too so that I could be on my side, but still 'recline' or almost be on my back at the same time. Still do this now actually as my left hip is not the greatest but sometimes I need to transfer to it because Sprite gets uncomfortable positions... I also rolled up a duvet and stick this between my legs some nights to help ease some of the inner thigh/pelvic pain I get. But it'll depend on what kind of pain you yourself are in.

Looking forward to hear more baby news too. :) If I wasn't already preggy. Then I'd be quite broody with all the cute itty bitty baby pics. :)

Bebe - I am living on coffee - and DH's constant comments about having water instead of coffee are going down really well! I will try the pillows - he keeps hogging the duvet - my boss told me how for the last few months of his wife's pregnancy they slept in separate rooms and at the time I was mortified but am really seeing the benefit now! The pain is in my inner hip if that makes sense and goes down into my pelvis and inner thigh, some days it's fine and others I physically can't put weight on it - sure it's just loosening down there with the pressure and turns out its the hip that twin one is on and he/she is lower down than the other one so could explain it.

Just back from midwife - both babies are now head down, heard two different heartbeats and felt two very definite baby backs, heads and bums so all good - now hoping the scan tomorrow will show that the placentas have moved so I can actually try for a VB delivery (albeit with epidural and in theatre just in case!). Bloods done, Anti D in and another appointment in 3 weeks! I am wishing the next 5 weeks away so work can be almost done and these babies almost cooked!

Sounds like a lot of what I was experiencing around Easter. Sprite was/is very low too.DO NOT DRIVE FOR 12 HOURS in one day it'll only make it worse.
I did take pain killers to help relax me so I could sleep on very bad days. Nothing I really did eased it during the time I was experiencing it unfortunately. :( So I've not got any other suggestions besides try to take it easy on bad days.
It eased right around 3rd trimester and only 'twinges' now and again if I'm not careful about what I'm doing (and stretch the leg too far out, or drive a lot, or walk a lot of steps to such things like that.) I also really had to concentrate early on not picking Moo up as it was a clear aggregavator (sp?), but now I can pick her up occasionally -it's the belly that gets in the way now.

It worked for me but I would think perhaps two would be better so you could effectively make a nest. I gave mine away after Holly was born or I would send it to you.

Right we are. I loves a good birth story I do..... .

8pm Wednesday quickie "to see if we can't loosen something up" (DH's words).

9pm Some regular sore BHs, every 5 minutes. Send DH to bed, expecting to be woken up overnight. Call babysitters just in case they want to come now and get a full night's sleep.

11pm - 5am regular sore ones, watch 4 episodes Green Wing and bounce on ball.

5am they get less regular. Pissed off.

7am go to bed. Sleep 14 mins, contraction 1 min, repeat.
Toddler to childminder.

10am they get hardcore. Phone Dad to come for the next night.

1pm phone in to midwife unit and head off. 6cm when examined - huzzah! Pace and drink lucozade.

4pm start on the gas and air. Get into pool shortly after as midwives think I'm cracking on. Pool is AMAZING.

6pm still nowt. Come out of pool. 8cm and waters artificially broken. Mental contractions for half an hour.

7pm tearful and sore. No progress. Have some diamorphine and a lie down. Lose it a bit, contractions awful but feel like they're doing nothing. Swear at DH.

8pm regroup. Have something to eat amid fierce contractions. Decide to have a final crack before they send me to teaching hospital for intervention. 9cm and baby transverse - needs to turn. Get back in pool. Pool is AMAZING. Feel control regained but still no movement.

10pm midwife starts to talk about transferring. Feel hopeless. Then get funny involuntary pushy sensation at the end of a contraction.

10.50pm out she comes. Feel like superwoman.

11.30pm Placenta still not out. Start to think about transferring again!

11.45 placenta out. Superwoman returns.

Sounds like Bicnod's story might be a bit shorter than this . Amazing experience though, after epidural and forceps for the first one. Just wish the stuck at 8-9cm bit hadn't happened.

Ah thanks Puzz - I have been looking at them for ages and the cheapskate part of me keeps saying - it's only 12 weeks max and then the pg part of me says - that's three bloody months!

Zulu - love DH's romantic approach to loosening up!! That was quite impressive though (albeit not two hours like Bic) but quite impressive progress all the same! Well done! Crikey it has made me remember how horrible amazing it all was and is bringing back the pain emotion of it all. You don't ever forget the pain but these kiddies must be worth it to go through it again(!). How is Laura getting on? You all settled back home and enjoying being a mummy of two?

I'm not sure if I'll have an epidural or spinal block - think the latter so am pretty sure I wont be as much of an experience as with K(!) but hopefully a hell of a lot less painful

He he. Love the start of the story.

Sounds like you did bloody amazing. You must have been shattered so to find that last bit of fight at the end is damn impressive.

Oh bebe, thanks for the tips - mine seems to have kicked in in the third trimester - Nutts has been giving me tips on her SPD exercises tonight so am going to crack on with them tomorrow and see if it helps - think the worst thing is not knowing in the morning whether you will be able to use your hip or not that day! and not being able to explain to a non talking two year old why he can't climb on mummy anymore!!

What's the difference between an epi and a spinal block? I thought that's what an epi was. [thicko]

Yes puzz is right, that end bit where you turned into superwoman is when I was BEGGING for a c-section! and I expect when puzz had those few choice words with her mw!!

I think it was "f*cking cut me" wasn't it.

Oh I don't know - that's what they said in the hospital. When I said to them the epi didn't work and I was walking around and felt every damn contraction he said well we can give you a spinal block so that if you have to have a section half way through you wont have to be put to sleep! I've just checked and according to google one is an injection one is a constant flow of drugs Wiki.

Yes wasn't it followed by "you f'ing b*tch" or have I added that bit on for my own amusement

"Constant flow of drugs" Sounds like 2006

And yes you most certainly did add that bit. I did snarl "give me the f*cking episiotomy" though. Given the amount of gas and air I got through I sounded possessed.

HAHA! The thought of you saying that still makes me giggle - even without my extended version! !

They both go in slightly different places but the essence is an epidural is continuous for pain relief (although you can make it stronger for a section/forceps) whereas a spinal makes you go completely numb but only lasts a couple of hours, so only used for section/forceps but not pain relief for labour really. .

And I said "you can stick your f*cking third child up your arse" to DH, referring to the 3 children he wants to have .

Brilliant. There's nothing more joyous to behold than the abusive rants of a labouring woman. . I was with my sister when she had her fourth and she didn't make a sound. Just quietly breathed through it all. Booooring.

Hey two hours?!? I was in agony with k for over 24 hours after three epis didnt worn so they best not think I'm going through that again just to be cut open with a measly 2 hour pain relief! I'll be asking my consultant lots of questions tomorrow (they will hate me!).

Haha Zulu that's brilliant! What was his response? When I begged for a section DH was all like 'what are you doing? What are you saying, no!' to which he got the 'f off and die stare' and then shut up!!! Then he tried to get me to stop pushing as he thought I'd combust to which he got verbal shut up or leave response still if that's all they have to deal with whilst we go through it all then they get the easy outcome!

BB, just a quick thought (am trying to finish my CV for job deadline tomorrow!). Surprised they had trouble with your epidural. You're lovely and slim. Your options for pain relief:

1. they will be keen to have an epi in because you're twins so higher chance of intervention so might want to try again - make sure they get a consultant to do it, not a spotty trainee.
2. Spinal really only is an option for interventions if no epi so you'd need a different for of pain relief for labour. You might be ok just with gas and air +/- some diamorphine or whatever they have.
3. See if they have remifentanil PCA. It's a newish thing but very good for contractions. It goes iv and you press a button when you feel it coming on. A good alternative if epidural isn't viable option.
4. By the way, spinals are easier to put in than epidurals so I wouldn't worry about that not working.

Good luck. Shout me if you want to ask anything xxx

Thanks Zulu - I am just writing a list of lots of things I want to ask both the sonographer and Consultant so will add pain relief options to them.

LOL at spotty teenager - they didn't look spotty last time but they did look rushed! He came in put the epi in, it didn't work, he came back moved it around, told me to wait 10 minutes and if it didn't work they would take it out and do it again. They did it again twice but I was still in agony and could move legs normally etc and in a way I think it ruined my experience because with that and the induction drip I was stuck on a bed and not allowed to walk around which I think I would have preferred rather than just laying there on my back! So it would be good to know what the options are and how they see it working.

Puzz Booring indeed - we want mooing and swearing!! .

Oh and good luck with the job applications Zulu - you may be slightly crazy doing all that with a new baby!!!

BB- perhaps it'll still ease in a few weeks.

Zulu- good luck with CV writing

Hope everyone else is well. xx

how did you sleep last night BB?

How are the new babies fairing? (and their Mommies)?

Hey ladies - just about coming up for air :)

James is lovely lovely lovely and Oscar is doing really well. He's a bit wobbly (to be expected) and pushing his luck a bit more than usual with us but he is gorgeous with James and talks all the time about 'my brother'

I'm a bit sore as 2nd degree tears after James shot out like the bloody bullet train but getting there. Managed to get some sleep last night by giving up trying to get him to sleep in the moses basket and just letting him sleep snuggled up next to me. We're trying an amby hammock tonight (borrowed from a friend) so fingers crossed he might settle a bit in that as I'm not really very good at co-sleeping (worry about squashing him).

Zulu - excellent birth story - will attempt to gather my thoughts and write mine at some point soon.

Love to you all x x