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Dec 08 Ladies - LIghtning Strikes... and the usual gossip!

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Beans33 · 09/08/2010 10:32

Hope this works for everyone - I'm assuming Summer won't give birth in the next few hours!! x

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Veggiemummy · 03/09/2010 17:38

The BB moscato rosa is only £6.50 Beans, you could get both!

DeidreBarlow · 03/09/2010 18:01

Effie Hope the vomming has stopped and the DC's are feelinga bit better.

spot The flat looks lovely...but house might be more practical etc etc. Good luck with the hunt!

veggie & beans ENOUGH of the wine talk. We are having a bbq later and now I can't wait to crack the rose openGrin

Oh and beans 'TV dinners' are always welcome in our house. Sometimes its the only way I can get them to eat!!

SummerLightning · 03/09/2010 18:02

Hi all,
mmm...wine. I may have to find these wines of which you speak. I have been partaking quite a bit recently (just a glass or so, but pretty regularly!)

I am tired, broken nights pissing me off already. Had my first bit of insomnia last night as well, DD awake for 3 bloody hours in one go in the night then I was so awake I couldn't sleep so think I was awake from 1:30 to 6. Joy. At what age do they start learning the difference between night and day?? She's kind of pretty snoozy all the time at the moment, and has been asleep most of the day so I have caught up a bit on sleep. I don't mind doing night feeds, but I wish they would last less than 2 bloody hours. It's not like she's even hungry a lot of the time, she just has big eyes and won't go to sleep, and intersperses this will a bit of yelling now and again which is usually wind related.
avo vomiting phobia sounds horrible, I hope I don't make you feel queasy by asking but is it you vomiting or anyone? Really hope you can get some help for it. Oh and In-laws sound a bit of a nightmare
jam why did you take the jumpsuit back?? It was cool - a bit £££ though I guess.
spot I much prefer the house to the flat! But I like having a lot of space, especially now I have kids. However, sounds like the location of the flat is much better.
effie sorry about the vomiting night, hope all better soon and you avoid it.
jj I think that house is massively overpriced. I know cambridge is expensive but still. I also have noticed that bidwells seem to overprice things round here...not that it matters as I still reckon it's worth about 800k!
veggie that's so funny about DS2's jacket.
deirdre glad dd enjoyed her first day at school. I feel a bit melancholy at the idea of DS going to school already!!

Beans33 · 03/09/2010 19:03

SL - I have at least one bottle of Sol beer every night. But tonight all this chat of wine has made me keen to crack open a bottle. But only 1 or 2 glasses as have to do 10.30 feed tonight. Sob.

SL - I found 6 weeks was a bit of a breakthrough on DD2 discovering the breakthrough between night and day. Suddenly felt much more able to cope.

Spot - I like the house as well. Would always plump for the more space option as like to be able to spread my beautiful furniture crap all over the place!

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Rubena · 03/09/2010 22:47

Yum Brown Bros are one of my fave's - it pisses me that you can only get their sweet desert wine and one of their sweetish whites at the supermarket.
Got some nice wine at Aldi today

Summer - dd is way different to ds. I thought all babies were the same in that respect, meaning that they all had no clue until about 3 months but dd seems to already be really sleepy at night and won't feed much but makes up for it in the daytime. Kind of good but downside is she's hard to burp at night and then she get's quite windy in the day like she's built it all up.
Hope your dd sorts it out soon and the insomnia stops soon.
Thanks so much for the lovely card! x

KiwiPanda · 04/09/2010 03:55

Hello all. Don't suppose anyone else is suffering from horrendous insomnia..? Woke up at 12.50 and have been awake ever since. And given DD has been waking at 5 recently I don't suppose I'll be getting any more sleep. Tomorrow I'm supposed to be going to my future sister-in-law's hen do. On 2 1/2 hours sleep.

Could do with insomnia advice actually - WG and LadyT I know you are both sufferers? Has been getting worse and worse recently - I'm fine getting to sleep but then I wake up after a few hours and that's it, I'm awake.. DD getting up horrendously early (4.50 yesterday) does not help

SummerLightning · 04/09/2010 04:46

Oh no kiwi! I hate insomnia it isnworse than getting no sleep coa you're kept up by children I think! I got it loads with ds once I was beyond the initial exhausted stage but before he was sleeping through well. Like you it's that i've had 1 ht sleep and they're going to wake up on 1 he so that's max 2hrs sleep if I go to sleep NOW sort of mental tottomg up that used to stress me out.
For me no booze or caffeine helped.
General advice seems to be to get up for a bit and do something but this never worked for me.
Relaxation sort of techniques never
worked for me either but you could try that - yoga type breathing.
I used to take a piriton tablet sometimes too as they make me sleepy.
It got better for me when ds slept a bit better and when I sorted out going back to work which wa stressing me out.
Gotta go dd needs resettling to sleep now she had finished slurping.

DeidreBarlow · 04/09/2010 07:26

kiwi I really hope you did manage a couple more hours! My dad used to suffer a bit, he used to take a Nytol tablet if he woke up and that usually helped him go back off for a bit. But I think sleeping tablets might make you a bit groggy when you do have to get up, and if your getting up with DD then you probably won't get enough sleep off them. Perhaps try one before bed and see if you sleep longer? Also I think lavender is supposed to be very relaxing and good for sleep.

summer hope you got some more sleep too.

Only me and DS up at the mo. We are cuddled up on the sofa watching CBeebies and havinga coffee (me not DS). I love him like this, best make the most as when his big sister gets up we'll have a riot on our hands!

Beans33 · 04/09/2010 08:53

Kiwi - my DH swears by Night Nurse. I know it's for colds etc, but he says it sends him off beautifully if he's struggling. Neither of us are proper insomnia types, but if he wakes int eh night and is struggling, off he pops to the medicine cabinet!!!

Another beautiful day here - gosh it makes you happy, doesn't it?

My DDs are behaving beautifully. DD1 slept through and DD2 woke at 5am for a feed, then I had to wake her at 8! Have taken some lovely pics of them with my phone this morning - must upload them!

I'm v much looking forward to my night in with a curry, some beer and the X Factor! Got a friend coming round to join me. Marvellous!

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Veggiemummy · 04/09/2010 08:59

Oh Kiwi poor you, I should have come online, I didn't have insomnia just a screaming DS2. He wasxwailing for a large proportion of the night & I was refusing him milk. I was sure the screaming was just behavioural and that he just wanted me to cave & give him milk but DH was sure it was teeth. He asked me to humour him and we gave DS2 some calpol finally at about 5 & of course he settled to sleep, woke at 6.30 for his usual morning milk wake up & then slept until 8.30! So maybe I was wrong Hmm.

Kiwi do you think the insomnia is due to worrying about thr NY trip away from DD? Not that there is much you can do about it. Obviously tonight you will need cocktails to help you stay away.

Pubie I love the BB reds but have only ever seen them at thr Waitrose is canary Wharf as it is quite a huge wine section with it's own wine bar.

KiwiPanda · 04/09/2010 13:18

Hello all. Eventually went to sleep about 4 and DD woke at 5. DH looked after her for a while so i could sleep but still feel grim, like jet lag without the travel.. Veggie I don't think its worrying, I am not fretting about anything much - maybe a bit about work I guess but nothing major. I don't know what's going on, but it just seems to have spiralled into a pattern which I know half expect - which of course does not help...

I guess it's work, trip away, worrying about DD at her new nursery (she's ok but was howling when I picked her up yesterday and she never did that at old one)... Pile of stuff I suppose.

Am at the gem lunch now - no one else here yet hence the posting!

KiwiPanda · 04/09/2010 13:19

Hen not gem. Mumsnet, sort out an iPhone app please!

Beans33 · 04/09/2010 13:39

Glad it wasn't anything specific, although in some ways, more annoying as can't get it sorted! Grrr.

I am on my lunch break. Have cleaned the shower and eaten a pizza. Bleugh. I must lose weight soon, but just am hungry today. As I am every day! DDs asleep, life is sweet!

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TheInvisibleHand · 04/09/2010 20:51

Kiwi, sorry for the lack of sleep. I have had a few weeks on and off where I have been waking up at 3 and can't go back to sleep. For me, normally the drone of Radio 4 does the job and sends me nodding off. But a) it annoys DH; and b) in the early hours it switches to world service which is much janglier and not the same at all. OK I am just strange. Never mind.

Rubes - you are of course right about my sis. I suppose it is just that I feel a bit responsible. DD was got very dehydrated from lack of feeding properly as a baby and my sis has been absolutely paranoid about the same thing not happening to them. So there has been a lot of obsessive weighing and measuring (they bought their own baby scales) etc etc. which I don't think helped. She is also a doctor and I think part of it is the control freakery that goes with it, so maybe that's it anyway. But my niece is very sweet and contented and her mother much happier, so very silly to be at all fretful.

jj - the room messing about sounds very annoying. But Venice should be lovely in any case.

Avo - Shock at your FIL!

Spot - how did the viewings go??

LadyT - let me know how you get on with the Slap

spotofcheerfulness · 04/09/2010 21:21

Hey folks, just got back from dinner at Pizza Express with my SIL and T's cousins. We got home on the bus and it was DARK. We are such dirty stopouts (sad reflection of current social life).

Thanks for asking about viewings, Invis, well...unsurprisingly I was underwhelmed by the house (v average in v average street) and really like the flat. Am getting DP to look at it on Tuesday, I think he'll like it too. Ok, so it's totally impractical in terms of the space (the boys would have to share), and there's only one reception room, it's just such a great location. I can imagine Phil and Kirsty saying "no, don't do it, you'll have to move again in a couple of years" which is true, but would be great to be in the thick of it again and there's loads around for kids, not far from a park, a stone's throw from the seafront. I need to get someone to talk sense into me, I can't help it I need to feel like I still have a life even if I don't!

Food-wise has been 2 steps back again today. No breakfast, cheese on toast for lunch and sausage roll for dinner ( that I happened to have in my bag as he refused pizza from PE. Surely that's glorified cheese on toast!) He just sees anything that's no toast or fruit right now, shakes his head and says "NOT" very loudly. Hmm

Kiwi how was the lunch? I'm taking Rescue Remedy night, tis probably bollocks but harmless placebo if you don't want to take something to make you groggy. Also second Invis's radio idea, though I plug earphones into my radio so DP can't here.

He's back tomorrow night. Hurrah! Not a blardy moment too soon. Though he will be knackered but hey ho...

Veggie I think our DSs have a teething relationship. How many does J now have? T has so few and seems to suffer so much. I hope you have a better night.

Veggiemummy · 04/09/2010 21:25

Invisible I think we can't help but look at others experiences of childbirth and BF etc and be effected by them but how we react to them is entirely our own responsibility. I think being anxious about weight gain is a natural thing and in this case made a bit more freaked out because she's a doctor and I guess she knows too much. You know that if she trusts her body and gets past all this it will all be fine, but she doesn't have that hindsight. Maybe for her though, the 'out of control-ness' of BFing may not really suit her and cause too much stress. I'm not really sure what I'm getting at here, but it's mainly not to blame yourself and get on and enjoy your lovely niece. I love my boys, but before them I was first an Aunt to my 4 beautiful nieces and I love being AuntyVeggie.

Veggiemummy · 04/09/2010 21:36

Hi Spot. J has just these last 4 to come through, the top 2 are incisors or K9's or whatever those pointy ones are called and the bottom to are there lower jaw equivalents. The top ones are half through while the bottoms are just breaking the surface, hence the pain probably.

I'm probably not a good one to advise as we are far from living in our home for life but I think the flat might be ok. The outdoor space is really no less than we have for a garden here, the sharing bedrooms is fine I think, the big question is how big is the main living area & is there anywhere for storage. If we buy here we will be downsizing to 2 bedrooms & maybe a small study. I think location is a big deal because if you do want something bigger in a few years this having a good location means a good rental investment or at the very least easy to resell. But that's just me, Lady would probably have better advise. I just think you can do it now as the kids (ESP) DS2 are small. Also being near the seaside does make up for garden space I think. The boys def play more on the beachthan in our garden.

TheInvisibleHand · 04/09/2010 22:09

You know, spot, where you live isn't just about rationality, it does have to feel right. And visualising your life there is a big part of it. I'm sure you'll find something that works for you eventually. And as far as the room thing goes - my two share and love it. We actually have a spare bedroom, but made a conscious decision to put them together as I grew up sharing intially with both my sibs and always with my sis.

Veggie - wise words as always. I think you are right about the "out-of-controlledness" and on that, it is definitely each to their own! I quite liked not having a plan...Anyway, I am definitely not interfering and am going to enjoy being an indulgent aunt!

LadyThompson · 04/09/2010 22:19

Hello

Kiwi, I do feel for you about the insomnia. I'm up virtually every night at the moment, I have forgetten how it feels to wake in the morning without a headache and sore eyes, so tons of sympathy but no tips as I haven't got it cracked Sad DP swears by an ep of Father Ted if he is up in the night (funny, ultimately comforting) but it's never worked for me. Night Nurse - we-ell...not so keen on that idea as I had a client who got addicted to it Grin Beans, as long as your DH doesn't start drinking it in the day 'to take the edge off', he should be ok.

Spot, I totally get your reasons for liking the flat as they are the reasons I would like it. One thing I would ask is is there any scope for increasing its value? That way it would be less of a biggie if you did have to move in a couple of years. As to food - it's been a bad day with that here too. A lot of yoghurts and boss all else. Some days you have to write off, I guess. Glad you've been out.

Avo, I was quite agog at the ghastliness of your PILs, though I know you have alerted us to their pooeyness before. I think you did well to get through the visit without karate chopping them. Therapy for the sick phobia sounds good. My late DH's mum suffered from this and had to give up her hard won place at med school because of it.

Invis, I have started The Slap. ENjoying it so far but only read a bit. I was amused to read that someone seems to say that English people are known in Australia for not bringing stuff along for a bbq Grin On a nitpicky point I found that too many characters have been introduced at once and I can't keep a handle on 'em.

I will be trying that wine, Veggie. I enjoyed the wine chat yesterday. I was only lurking as I was a) busy but b) in a bit of a black mood, which hasn't really lifted. Feel free to skip...as it probably won't make much sense and I need to be oblique, but I am waiting for the last bit of money I am due from DH's Estate, and really do need it as I have been skating on thin ice for a few months now, and I learned yesterday that due to someone else's, well, negligence or worse, it's going to be delayed even more, possibly until Nov, thus giving me a big problem. The whole thing is very stressful and complex and ugly anyway and has been dragging on for years. Second thing is, I am feeling very sad about DH himself at the moment. Usually I am in the mode where I just feel lucky he was ever in my life at all but I do still have periods where I find it hard to bear, feel cheated and feel a dreadful longing for when he was here, which is obviously very confusing given that I now have a life with DP, whom I do actually love. One of DH's friends, a woman who caused a lot of trouble for me, is publicising a book she has written and she talked about him in one interview and I found that very painful, for lots of reasons. There was quite a lot of fallout after DH died, with his former wife and this particular friend, and between them they made everything even worse than it already was, and as a result there are other friends of DH's, who I thought were friends of mine and whom I loved, who inexplicably no longer speak to me or want to be my friend and that's very painful as well and still really upsets me.

So there's all that going on and the stress of the house and the lack of sleep and the usual sense of being cut off from London friends (who in my self-pitying state I feel again have forgotten about me), career going down the bog etc.

It's probably partly the swirl of late pregnancy hormones just stirring everything up in my mind, but I have really struggled this last couple of days, and the only way I can describe it is to say I feel like I have temporarily lost my grip on all that's good.

DP has really tried his best to be supportive. He isn't naturally very empathetic, as he admits himself, or patient with anyone who is feeling a bit crummy or down. But I am touched he has tried.

His Mum is coming to stay tomorrow to help us with the house. Very kind, yes, but she is staying until Saturday and I feel so flipping fragile I just don't know how I am going to stand her annoying remarks.

Sorry for the gloomfest. I do know that it's just a bad phase and that I am basically positive and practical, but lack of sleep/stress about the house/cash flow/ rigours of late pregnancy and the opportunity to do anything to help my career or social life being temporarily curtailed are really exterminating my mojo at the moment. The stuff about DH is in my bones, anyway, and sometimes it just kind of seeps out. I accept that. Also, some times in your life are just harder than others - I accept that as well. You've just got to keep batting...keep batting...keep batting. Oh, but jeepers! I feel like such a failure sometimes. Night all.

TheInvisibleHand · 04/09/2010 22:32

Dear LadyT, you do a fabulous job and I have always admired your fantastically optimistic outlook on life. Its OK to acknowledge the rubbish sometimes. Especially when you have plenty on your plate, as you do. I try to live by the principle of if I can't do anything about it I do my best not to worry about it, but no one is that kind of a paragon. You are anything but a failure. And get a bit of breathing space back and all will feel much different.

TheInvisibleHand · 04/09/2010 22:36

Oh, and on the comment in the Slap, yes that tickled me too and felt very familiar. I guess more southern cultures (and I come from one) have slightly more grandiose ideas of hospitality and guesthood that sometimes exceed the bounds of reason. I remember being behind the scenes while my aunt was preparing for a dinner and the state of panic about there not being enough food, when there was at least 3 times as much as anyone could possibly eat....

Rubena · 04/09/2010 22:38

I wanted peace and quiet, and now everyone has gone and v v v Sad
I hate airport drop offs Sad especially when it's the family going so far away.
It's me the dog, cuddly dd (v needy) and my cheerfulness which is trying it's hardest to live up to it's name Grin
ds in bed but I was strangely hoping he would wake and want to come into my bed since dh is at work tonight.

Lady, it will get better I promise, you are not a failure! If you don't feel better when this pregnancy is over, I will visit constantly and you can rant to me as much as you like!
I must read that book... But I did think that as well about Brits and BBQ's! Blush

I'm watching a late XFactor, so sort of with you there Beans.

Invis, glad you feel better about it all....
Docs are the worst Hmm
Speaking of which. My shoulder has gotten worse and worse, and dh said I must go and get a referral for Xray, which I did and will be getting done next week. I will either need an Ultrasound guided injection Shock or a small op to fix it - great.

Rubena · 04/09/2010 22:40

x posted invis! Nah just at Aussie BBQ's you say "nah just bring yourselves" and we still lob up with a case of beer over one's shoulder, some sausages and a lot of wine Grin - it's only at BBQ's though!

TheInvisibleHand · 04/09/2010 22:45

Ah, but rubes, that's the basic version of the complicated social dance iranians do, where for example you might say "I like your watch" and they will go into a whole "Please, take it, its yours, nothing would make me happier" routine and you are supposed to say no politely at least a dozen times before you can be sure they mean it. In the book the host family are Greek, so the mother in law shows up with an enormous amount of food and is a bit sniffy about the anglo types that don't...

Avocadoes · 04/09/2010 22:47

Oh LadyT, I wish there was something I could do to help you feel better right now. I am so glad that your DP is trying to be supportive. You have so much on your plate at the moment. Your line about battling, battling, battling struck a cord with me. I have had periods of my life where I have felt like I had to battle just to stay upright and sane and it is a horrible feeling.

Could you arrange for a night in London without DD where you meet up with old friends who have known you forever, and knew your DH, and just have a really good heart to heart with them? Or can you give your Mum a call and have a good old cry on her shoulder? I do hope you feel better soon and get a good night's sleep.