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Starmer's resigned

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Sadcafe · 22/06/2026 09:44

So the admittedly boring but truly decent PM has announced his resignation and the egotistical, pompous Burnham will doubtless become PM. God help the country

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PeachOctopus · 22/06/2026 20:47

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:33

As I've said mentioned before on this thread, I'll talk about what I like, where I like. You might not think its an important political issue here in the UK, but I happen to think it is. Don't dictate to others where they can post and what they can post about, based on what YOU think is politically important.

But it’s not very relevant to Starmer resignation is it?
The UK doesn’t have that much influence on the rest of the world,
I’m not convinced that Starmer’s policy in the Middle East affected anything.

upinaballoon · 22/06/2026 20:48

MulberryBrandy · 22/06/2026 20:46

He appears to be called Josh Simons - is he going to stand for Mayor of Manchester?

I don't know but I'll look him up later.

KatiePricesKnickers · 22/06/2026 20:52

I’ve yet to meet anyone who gives a shit about the Middle East.
They have always been at war, and it’s always an attack on Israel that causes it.

And also, it’s got fuck all to do with this thread.

Paul2023 · 22/06/2026 20:57

Allmarbleslost · 22/06/2026 09:53

It's just utter madness. The last thing this country needs is another period of political instability. What difference do people think Burnham will actually make??

Agreed. The boats, economy, public services, the threat of Farage , Trump, immigration, the cost of net zero..
Burnham has never really said what he’d do about any of these issues and he won’t have long until he faces them.

DrBlackbird · 22/06/2026 20:57

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:40

Some Burnham policies:

Public control of water, energy and transport
Burnham has repeatedly advocated bringing water "back under stronger public control", pointing to the Greater Manchester bus network, which is run by private operators but has public oversight and control, as a model. He has, however, advocated public ownership for companies like Thames Water.

"We do need to bring down water bills, energy bills, rail fares, just as we brought down bus fares in Greater Manchester, to make life more affordable for people," he said in his victory speech after winning the Makerfield seat.

Social care
Burnham has been a long term supporter of reform to social care, dating back to his time as a health minister under Tony Blair in 2006-07 and then health secretary under Gordon Brown in 2009-2010.

He has repeatedly suggested inheritance tax should be replaced with a "national care levy" which, he said in a speech in 2023, would mean the "care [that] is provided is free" and "everybody would pay but obviously the wealthiest would pay the most."

Defence spending
Last week, John Healey resigned as Sir Keir's defence secretary, claiming the draft government proposals would take UK defence spending to 2.68% of GDP by 2030, falling "well short" of the 3% target he considered necessary.

Speaking to the Times a day after Healey's resignation, Burnham said alongside the 10-year approach to defence and security, there needed to be reform of public investment and procurement.

He told the paper that this would reduce the welfare bill by bringing recipients into the workforce, ensuring more money was available for defence.
"I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill. Not at all," he said.

Big council home expansion and possible tax reforms
In his campaign launch speech, Burnham said he wanted "the biggest programme of council house building since the Second World War".

He suggested this could be funded by rediverting the existing £39bn affordable housing programme entirely to social rent homes.

Also at his campaign launch, Burnham indicated he wanted to change how business, property and land is taxed, including reforms to what he described as a "highly regressive" council tax.

Burnham has long expressed support for a land value tax (LVT) - an annual tax based solely on the value of the land itself, excluding any buildings or improvements on the property.

Northern leg of HS2 making a comeback?
In an interview with iNews, Burnham said he wanted to resurrect the northern leg of HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester.

Cutting business rates
Burnham has called for a "new drive of re-industrialisation" across the north of England and the rest of the UK.

"It's about time we started backing British business and British industry so we can re-industrialise places like this," he said after winning the seat.

During the by-election campaign, his team sent out a policy document promising a cut in business rates for pubs and music venues by 20%.

That would be paid for, they said, by higher taxes of out-of-town warehouses used by online retailers like Amazon. Burnham also wants to raise the threshold at which business rates kick in, taking lots of small high street shops out of paying altogether.

Education
In his speech after victory in Makerfield, Burnham said he wanted an education system that was not dominated by the university route, but one which "offers a path for everybody, academic and technical in equal balance".

He also said he wanted to secure more work placements for 16 to 18-year-olds and guarantees of apprenticeships.

National Insurance
Burnham told BBC Newsnight he wanted to reconsider the increase in National Insurance paid by employers, brought in by Rachel Reeves in the 2024 Budget.

Waspi women
Burnham was reported to have told a hustings event during the campaign he would "stick by the Waspi women because they deserve some recompense for the unfairness".

But following concern about the cost of such a scheme, a spokesperson clarified that he "accepts the final decision" of the government not to grant compensation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywzj2vk3zo

Wow. Impressive list. It’d be great if those came about.

Any idea where’s he going to find the funds for any of those given he’d reduced business rates and reverse the national insurance rates? Keeping in mind that in April 2026, the UK government paid £10.3 billion in interest on its national debt, In one month. And that HS2 as it currently stands is likely to cost in excess of £100 billion just to Bham?

Really feels that we, the electorate, expect too much too soon.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 21:00

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 20:44

No I’m talking about the call for genocide against the Jews now.

I've never heard of a call for a genocide against Jewish people on any threads/pages I see online, and if I did, I'd call it out and report it, because that would be sick, racist and clear AS.

BunfightBetty · 22/06/2026 21:00

DrBlackbird · 22/06/2026 20:57

Wow. Impressive list. It’d be great if those came about.

Any idea where’s he going to find the funds for any of those given he’d reduced business rates and reverse the national insurance rates? Keeping in mind that in April 2026, the UK government paid £10.3 billion in interest on its national debt, In one month. And that HS2 as it currently stands is likely to cost in excess of £100 billion just to Bham?

Really feels that we, the electorate, expect too much too soon.

I’m very curious as to how all this would be funded.

Presumably he’s had his people cost it all out, rather than just talk up a list of wishes…?

Paul2023 · 22/06/2026 21:00

But didn’t Makerfield vote leave , a big Brexit vote? I’m sure lots of people up there are worried about immigration too.

Is it fair to say lots of people voted Burnham in because they wanted Starmer out?

A GE could be very different

the80sweregreat · 22/06/2026 21:00

Thank you for the long list there. Everything I’ve read online not behind a pay wall hasn’t mentioned it or I’ve missed it.
Sounds like he’ll need a lot of extra money though.

Redpaisley · 22/06/2026 21:02

EasternStandard · 22/06/2026 10:32

Ha at this focus on a few posters on a thread. We don’t have that much power or influence.

Are you from Russia?

the80sweregreat · 22/06/2026 21:03

Of course a GE will be different. I’d admire him if he called a snap election on that manifesto and backed up with how he is going to pay for it all as well. Properly costed

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 21:05

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:40

Some Burnham policies:

Public control of water, energy and transport
Burnham has repeatedly advocated bringing water "back under stronger public control", pointing to the Greater Manchester bus network, which is run by private operators but has public oversight and control, as a model. He has, however, advocated public ownership for companies like Thames Water.

"We do need to bring down water bills, energy bills, rail fares, just as we brought down bus fares in Greater Manchester, to make life more affordable for people," he said in his victory speech after winning the Makerfield seat.

Social care
Burnham has been a long term supporter of reform to social care, dating back to his time as a health minister under Tony Blair in 2006-07 and then health secretary under Gordon Brown in 2009-2010.

He has repeatedly suggested inheritance tax should be replaced with a "national care levy" which, he said in a speech in 2023, would mean the "care [that] is provided is free" and "everybody would pay but obviously the wealthiest would pay the most."

Defence spending
Last week, John Healey resigned as Sir Keir's defence secretary, claiming the draft government proposals would take UK defence spending to 2.68% of GDP by 2030, falling "well short" of the 3% target he considered necessary.

Speaking to the Times a day after Healey's resignation, Burnham said alongside the 10-year approach to defence and security, there needed to be reform of public investment and procurement.

He told the paper that this would reduce the welfare bill by bringing recipients into the workforce, ensuring more money was available for defence.
"I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill. Not at all," he said.

Big council home expansion and possible tax reforms
In his campaign launch speech, Burnham said he wanted "the biggest programme of council house building since the Second World War".

He suggested this could be funded by rediverting the existing £39bn affordable housing programme entirely to social rent homes.

Also at his campaign launch, Burnham indicated he wanted to change how business, property and land is taxed, including reforms to what he described as a "highly regressive" council tax.

Burnham has long expressed support for a land value tax (LVT) - an annual tax based solely on the value of the land itself, excluding any buildings or improvements on the property.

Northern leg of HS2 making a comeback?
In an interview with iNews, Burnham said he wanted to resurrect the northern leg of HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester.

Cutting business rates
Burnham has called for a "new drive of re-industrialisation" across the north of England and the rest of the UK.

"It's about time we started backing British business and British industry so we can re-industrialise places like this," he said after winning the seat.

During the by-election campaign, his team sent out a policy document promising a cut in business rates for pubs and music venues by 20%.

That would be paid for, they said, by higher taxes of out-of-town warehouses used by online retailers like Amazon. Burnham also wants to raise the threshold at which business rates kick in, taking lots of small high street shops out of paying altogether.

Education
In his speech after victory in Makerfield, Burnham said he wanted an education system that was not dominated by the university route, but one which "offers a path for everybody, academic and technical in equal balance".

He also said he wanted to secure more work placements for 16 to 18-year-olds and guarantees of apprenticeships.

National Insurance
Burnham told BBC Newsnight he wanted to reconsider the increase in National Insurance paid by employers, brought in by Rachel Reeves in the 2024 Budget.

Waspi women
Burnham was reported to have told a hustings event during the campaign he would "stick by the Waspi women because they deserve some recompense for the unfairness".

But following concern about the cost of such a scheme, a spokesperson clarified that he "accepts the final decision" of the government not to grant compensation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywzj2vk3zo

Sounds positive getting people off welfare and into jobs.
Love to know where the jobs are going to come from though.

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 21:05

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:40

Some Burnham policies:

Public control of water, energy and transport
Burnham has repeatedly advocated bringing water "back under stronger public control", pointing to the Greater Manchester bus network, which is run by private operators but has public oversight and control, as a model. He has, however, advocated public ownership for companies like Thames Water.

"We do need to bring down water bills, energy bills, rail fares, just as we brought down bus fares in Greater Manchester, to make life more affordable for people," he said in his victory speech after winning the Makerfield seat.

Social care
Burnham has been a long term supporter of reform to social care, dating back to his time as a health minister under Tony Blair in 2006-07 and then health secretary under Gordon Brown in 2009-2010.

He has repeatedly suggested inheritance tax should be replaced with a "national care levy" which, he said in a speech in 2023, would mean the "care [that] is provided is free" and "everybody would pay but obviously the wealthiest would pay the most."

Defence spending
Last week, John Healey resigned as Sir Keir's defence secretary, claiming the draft government proposals would take UK defence spending to 2.68% of GDP by 2030, falling "well short" of the 3% target he considered necessary.

Speaking to the Times a day after Healey's resignation, Burnham said alongside the 10-year approach to defence and security, there needed to be reform of public investment and procurement.

He told the paper that this would reduce the welfare bill by bringing recipients into the workforce, ensuring more money was available for defence.
"I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill. Not at all," he said.

Big council home expansion and possible tax reforms
In his campaign launch speech, Burnham said he wanted "the biggest programme of council house building since the Second World War".

He suggested this could be funded by rediverting the existing £39bn affordable housing programme entirely to social rent homes.

Also at his campaign launch, Burnham indicated he wanted to change how business, property and land is taxed, including reforms to what he described as a "highly regressive" council tax.

Burnham has long expressed support for a land value tax (LVT) - an annual tax based solely on the value of the land itself, excluding any buildings or improvements on the property.

Northern leg of HS2 making a comeback?
In an interview with iNews, Burnham said he wanted to resurrect the northern leg of HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester.

Cutting business rates
Burnham has called for a "new drive of re-industrialisation" across the north of England and the rest of the UK.

"It's about time we started backing British business and British industry so we can re-industrialise places like this," he said after winning the seat.

During the by-election campaign, his team sent out a policy document promising a cut in business rates for pubs and music venues by 20%.

That would be paid for, they said, by higher taxes of out-of-town warehouses used by online retailers like Amazon. Burnham also wants to raise the threshold at which business rates kick in, taking lots of small high street shops out of paying altogether.

Education
In his speech after victory in Makerfield, Burnham said he wanted an education system that was not dominated by the university route, but one which "offers a path for everybody, academic and technical in equal balance".

He also said he wanted to secure more work placements for 16 to 18-year-olds and guarantees of apprenticeships.

National Insurance
Burnham told BBC Newsnight he wanted to reconsider the increase in National Insurance paid by employers, brought in by Rachel Reeves in the 2024 Budget.

Waspi women
Burnham was reported to have told a hustings event during the campaign he would "stick by the Waspi women because they deserve some recompense for the unfairness".

But following concern about the cost of such a scheme, a spokesperson clarified that he "accepts the final decision" of the government not to grant compensation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywzj2vk3zo

There are two very important omissions from this list; what he proposes to do about the concerns many have on immigration. And what he’s going to do about the not fit for purpose NHS.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 21:07

PeachOctopus · 22/06/2026 20:47

But it’s not very relevant to Starmer resignation is it?
The UK doesn’t have that much influence on the rest of the world,
I’m not convinced that Starmer’s policy in the Middle East affected anything.

The position of our politicians on all kinds of issues is important to me. Another thing which is important, is whether politicians have enough integrity to call something what it so obviously is. His position is noted by many other countries, because the UK is still influential. Perhaps not as much as it uses to be, but we have supported sanctions against countries who aggressively invade other countries. I'm ashamed the UK hasn't taken the position of countries like Spain, Ireland, Iceland - even Italy have stopped their bases being used because it was contributing to the ongoing genocide. Here, we're locking up grannies for holding up placards about it.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 21:08

KatiePricesKnickers · 22/06/2026 20:52

I’ve yet to meet anyone who gives a shit about the Middle East.
They have always been at war, and it’s always an attack on Israel that causes it.

And also, it’s got fuck all to do with this thread.

Edited

Precisely.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 21:11

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 21:05

There are two very important omissions from this list; what he proposes to do about the concerns many have on immigration. And what he’s going to do about the not fit for purpose NHS.

I think he will do fuck all on both counts and his name will be mud if he becomes PM after about oh say two months.

BunfightBetty · 22/06/2026 21:11

Redpaisley · 22/06/2026 21:02

Are you from Russia?

😂 Eastern Standard has posted on MN for a very long time, and is a good faith poster. If you look at her posting history, you won't find a theme of disrupting or subverting.

Are there bad faith actors on here from Russia and other hostile states? Yes, I would say so, and some are obvious. She's not one of them, though.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 21:13

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:40

Some Burnham policies:

Public control of water, energy and transport
Burnham has repeatedly advocated bringing water "back under stronger public control", pointing to the Greater Manchester bus network, which is run by private operators but has public oversight and control, as a model. He has, however, advocated public ownership for companies like Thames Water.

"We do need to bring down water bills, energy bills, rail fares, just as we brought down bus fares in Greater Manchester, to make life more affordable for people," he said in his victory speech after winning the Makerfield seat.

Social care
Burnham has been a long term supporter of reform to social care, dating back to his time as a health minister under Tony Blair in 2006-07 and then health secretary under Gordon Brown in 2009-2010.

He has repeatedly suggested inheritance tax should be replaced with a "national care levy" which, he said in a speech in 2023, would mean the "care [that] is provided is free" and "everybody would pay but obviously the wealthiest would pay the most."

Defence spending
Last week, John Healey resigned as Sir Keir's defence secretary, claiming the draft government proposals would take UK defence spending to 2.68% of GDP by 2030, falling "well short" of the 3% target he considered necessary.

Speaking to the Times a day after Healey's resignation, Burnham said alongside the 10-year approach to defence and security, there needed to be reform of public investment and procurement.

He told the paper that this would reduce the welfare bill by bringing recipients into the workforce, ensuring more money was available for defence.
"I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill. Not at all," he said.

Big council home expansion and possible tax reforms
In his campaign launch speech, Burnham said he wanted "the biggest programme of council house building since the Second World War".

He suggested this could be funded by rediverting the existing £39bn affordable housing programme entirely to social rent homes.

Also at his campaign launch, Burnham indicated he wanted to change how business, property and land is taxed, including reforms to what he described as a "highly regressive" council tax.

Burnham has long expressed support for a land value tax (LVT) - an annual tax based solely on the value of the land itself, excluding any buildings or improvements on the property.

Northern leg of HS2 making a comeback?
In an interview with iNews, Burnham said he wanted to resurrect the northern leg of HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester.

Cutting business rates
Burnham has called for a "new drive of re-industrialisation" across the north of England and the rest of the UK.

"It's about time we started backing British business and British industry so we can re-industrialise places like this," he said after winning the seat.

During the by-election campaign, his team sent out a policy document promising a cut in business rates for pubs and music venues by 20%.

That would be paid for, they said, by higher taxes of out-of-town warehouses used by online retailers like Amazon. Burnham also wants to raise the threshold at which business rates kick in, taking lots of small high street shops out of paying altogether.

Education
In his speech after victory in Makerfield, Burnham said he wanted an education system that was not dominated by the university route, but one which "offers a path for everybody, academic and technical in equal balance".

He also said he wanted to secure more work placements for 16 to 18-year-olds and guarantees of apprenticeships.

National Insurance
Burnham told BBC Newsnight he wanted to reconsider the increase in National Insurance paid by employers, brought in by Rachel Reeves in the 2024 Budget.

Waspi women
Burnham was reported to have told a hustings event during the campaign he would "stick by the Waspi women because they deserve some recompense for the unfairness".

But following concern about the cost of such a scheme, a spokesperson clarified that he "accepts the final decision" of the government not to grant compensation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywzj2vk3zo

I do like the idea of British industry and British businesses being given priority though.

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 21:15

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 21:07

The position of our politicians on all kinds of issues is important to me. Another thing which is important, is whether politicians have enough integrity to call something what it so obviously is. His position is noted by many other countries, because the UK is still influential. Perhaps not as much as it uses to be, but we have supported sanctions against countries who aggressively invade other countries. I'm ashamed the UK hasn't taken the position of countries like Spain, Ireland, Iceland - even Italy have stopped their bases being used because it was contributing to the ongoing genocide. Here, we're locking up grannies for holding up placards about it.

The granny who was waving a placard around in support of the terriorist group Palestine Action? Well of course she was locked up. Why wouldn’t she be?

EasternStandard · 22/06/2026 21:16

BunfightBetty · 22/06/2026 21:11

😂 Eastern Standard has posted on MN for a very long time, and is a good faith poster. If you look at her posting history, you won't find a theme of disrupting or subverting.

Are there bad faith actors on here from Russia and other hostile states? Yes, I would say so, and some are obvious. She's not one of them, though.

Thanks. There’s some angry Starmerites on here today. Will just stick to the calmer thread. The aggro posters can find someone else to take it out on.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 21:27

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 21:15

The granny who was waving a placard around in support of the terriorist group Palestine Action? Well of course she was locked up. Why wouldn’t she be?

Yes, exactly. That granny with a piece of paper, who's 100% not a terrorist, and not a danger to anybody. What a great use of public money to keep her locked up eh? Well worth £1,000 (at least, not including court costs) per week of the taxpayers money. The fact you support sending somebody protesting a genocide going to jail is just mind blowing. Oh and the government were so unsure that the law to make PA a 'terrorist' organisation would get through, they even had to throw their name into joint piece of legislation with several other groups who WERE actually dangerous, just to get it through, because they knew the Lords would laugh it out otherwise. But I expect you know all that. It will be repealed at some point anyway, hopefully very soon, because its bad law that's making the government and anybody who supports it look completely ludicrous.

aquashiv · 22/06/2026 21:40

BelleEpoque27 · 22/06/2026 10:06

Bollocks. This has been entirely manufactured by the media. He was a decent PM who stood up to Trump and was well respected. He got a lot wrong, but things are changing slowly.

Now Farage and the media will go on and on about a general election, and Burnham's ego will make him call one just so he can be crowned. He won't be, we'll get a fucking Reform government and we'll all be fucked.

This in spades

the80sweregreat · 22/06/2026 21:43

My fear for that manifesto is money. I’m not an economist and it must be mind blowing seeing the debts in black and white , but to bail out the water and energy companies alone will cost millions and milllions.
It’s worrying that he’ll just borrow loads and not have any plan of paying it back.

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 21:56

the80sweregreat · 22/06/2026 21:43

My fear for that manifesto is money. I’m not an economist and it must be mind blowing seeing the debts in black and white , but to bail out the water and energy companies alone will cost millions and milllions.
It’s worrying that he’ll just borrow loads and not have any plan of paying it back.

Well that’s what Labour do. They just spend and spend until the pot’s empty.

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