Starmer's resigned

[Sadcafe]

So the admittedly boring but truly decent PM has announced his resignation and the egotistical, pompous Burnham will doubtless become PM. God help the country

I’m beginning to think that a general election may not be I’m such a bad idea, but that is millions too!

A couple of other posters flagged this up earlier ....

Flagged what up earlier?

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Still not as rude as yours though.

Labour has made an absolute hash of being in government. Call a general election!

Still people don't get how it works 🙄
Labour won. Get over it. You'll get your chance to vote in a GE when we're next due one.

Maggie Oliver has admitted in a Panorama, relatively recently, that she knew, because the girls had told her, that police officers were complicit in the crimes of the grooming gangs. She kept that very quiet at the time, pushing the ' not wanting to be seen as racist' story about why no-one was held to account. I have very little respect for her.

Andy Burnham wasn’t even an MP when labour won. He has no proper mandate. Labour have been weak since being elected and have no plan. I can’t even think of anything good they have done (apart from the under 16 social media ban but is only because they u turned into that!!) If he is to lead the country we need to see what he stands for - I believe he should call a snap general election.

Agree. If the interviews in Makerfield shown on TV had been a guide I'd have expected a Reform victory.
However given that both sides wanted to message it was 'tight' to get their vote out, I'm not necessarily thinking this is pro Reform bias.
I think Reform supporters just often make for better entertainment because they are liable to say more controversial things and confirm stereotypes. Like the guy who when asked who he was voting for said 'Farage'..left there inducating their supporters didn't really know what was going on.

But we do not have to vote for who the papers and media want - British people have short memory spans and are gullible. Need to up the education in this country and get people to thinks things through instead of being subservient to the press and media.

This is supreme nit picking. Surely both can be true?

Police were complicit and allowed the crimes to carry on partly because they didn't want to be accused of racism?

Complicit means they allowed to go ahead, unless you mean they were explicitly involved - I know some allegations of this have recently surfaced. Of course it's difficult for the survivors as a feature of this whole child abuse and torture scandal is that the police did not believe the girls nor listen to their allegations of crimes.

He needs to get a new chancellor and reverse the national insurance hike on employers .

The hospitality industry is dying- think of all the pubs and restaurants. Not just the staff employed but the logistics. The supply chains.

Beefeter and Brewers Fayre are closing their restaurants, bar some of the ones attached to hotels. Two big British restaurants companies going.

Surely this is a wake up call?

I think he has suggested he would look at reversing the NI hike. But it should be looked at in the round alongside a package of tax reforms that promote growth. Starmer’s government failed on growth despite it being the central plank to their election campaign.

It is actually the official policy of Hamas, clearly called for in their Constitution.

Remember, when you claim that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians, that roughly as many Arabs who identify as Palestinians live in Israel as Israeli citizens, as live in Gaza.

Anyway, my apologies to the majority of posters for allowing myself to be caught up in this argument on this thread.

Maybe there will never be growth ? Maybe it will always be a sticking point and those days are gone. Too many factors why we can’t have the boom they all want to see . What are the other parties ideas for growth ?

If you don’t know any of the good they’ve done then you don’t pay much attention.

Other parties don't need ideas unless a GE is called. It's up to Labour to dig themselves out of the ever deepening hole they've created - and fast. In the words of their ex-PM 'their work is urgent'.

Many lubdem voters (me included) could never forgive them for tories. They should have been part of a rainbow coalition which would have allowed them to keep more of their manifesto
Also we could try being a resource based economy. Money is not used properly and widely circulated. Nobody should be in poverty in this day and age.
With ai being foisted on all and being used to save money (cut jobs), the only sensible to thing is UBI. To protect everyone

There is absolutely no need for a general election. Labour was elected. We vote for a party. We don’t vote for a person and we voted for labour.

That’s not what members of the Labour Party said

Yes, thanks well I think she should be challenged on this - put up or shut up maybe. I would like to hear her opinion on the mandate.

Nothing can change. Country's welfare bill rising and rising, undocumented people taken in by the very same ships whose personnel is meant to repel them....

Of course it can change. 🙄

To be fair, all parties say things like this when it suits them. Farage said the same when he claimed that by elections should be held when an MP changes party, but then suddenly changed his mind when he started accepting a load of ex Tories in to Reform, so it’s a bit of hypocrisy.

One difference between this and when Angela called for an election though is the fact that at that time, we’d already had 12 years of nonsense from the government and I think the vast majority of the electorate was fed up after 12 years and 4 PM’s by the time Sunak came along. I was ready for a change by then myself.