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Starmer's resigned

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Sadcafe · 22/06/2026 09:44

So the admittedly boring but truly decent PM has announced his resignation and the egotistical, pompous Burnham will doubtless become PM. God help the country

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Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 20:02

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 19:53

I'll post on whatever forum I fancy thanks. And how UK politicians respond to International issues and what shapes their opinion on these issues is absolutely part of UK politics and is taken into consideration by lots of voters, nyself included. I see that you dodged the question about what you think about the current genocide going on though.

Fgs. Not everything is about the Middle East/Gaza. My concerns are on how to improve the NHS, the housing crisis, sort out the cost of living crisis so we can all afford a weekly shop without breaking the bank. Improve the care of the elderly, decent education for all. Let the Middle East sort out their own shitty situation. Not our circus, and never was. Hamas instigated the ‘genocide’.

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:03

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 19:53

I'll post on whatever forum I fancy thanks. And how UK politicians respond to International issues and what shapes their opinion on these issues is absolutely part of UK politics and is taken into consideration by lots of voters, nyself included. I see that you dodged the question about what you think about the current genocide going on though.

I've discussed the question of genocide many times on the Conflict in the Middle East board. I'm not going to be discussing it on a thread about Starmer resigning today.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:03

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TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:06

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:03

I've discussed the question of genocide many times on the Conflict in the Middle East board. I'm not going to be discussing it on a thread about Starmer resigning today.

Why refer to it as the 'question' of genocide. Its not a question. It's a fact.

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:07

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:06

Why refer to it as the 'question' of genocide. Its not a question. It's a fact.

Refer to my previous answer.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 20:07

Vanillaicelatte · 22/06/2026 17:15

The only long standing member of no 10 is Larry the cat 😂

he has seen off maybe 10 PM over the last 20 years

he is the most stable member of any of our government and could probably do the job with one swipe of his paw and a flick of his tail

I agree.

Starmer's resigned
BunfightBetty · 22/06/2026 20:12

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Where have I denied any genocide?

Feel free to quote me below. If you can’t, then everyone knows you’re a liar.

I see you. I bet you abhor racism when it comes from those on the right, don’t you? Yet prejudice and racism are no better if they come from the left. Racism and prejudice are exactly that, no matter who they are aimed at. There is no group of people towards whom it is ok to aim racist tropes.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:14

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 20:02

Fgs. Not everything is about the Middle East/Gaza. My concerns are on how to improve the NHS, the housing crisis, sort out the cost of living crisis so we can all afford a weekly shop without breaking the bank. Improve the care of the elderly, decent education for all. Let the Middle East sort out their own shitty situation. Not our circus, and never was. Hamas instigated the ‘genocide’.

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Aw, 'livelovebehappy' except if you're one of the 70,000 Palestinian children who have been used for target practice then yeah? As long as it's somebody elses kids yeah? You might not give a shit about Gaza. Other opinions exist, and are used to assess what we think of politicians here. Oh, and keeping a million people in a concentration camp for 50 years, with limited food, water and power tends to make people angry. UN and others are very clear that nothing justifies a genocide. I'm only amazed they put up with it for 50 years before the pressure cooker exploded.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:15

Aw, 'livelovebehappy' except if you're one of the 70,000 Palestinian children who have been used for target practice then yeah? As long as it's somebody elses kids yeah? You might not give a shit about Gaza. Other opinions exist, and are used to assess what we think of politicians here. Oh, and keeping a million people in a concentration camp for 50 years, with limited food, water and power tends to make people angry. UN and others are very clear that nothing justifies a genocide. I'm only amazed they put up with it for 50 years before the pressure cooker exploded.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:19

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 20:21

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 17:59

People on the left tend to be against genocide. In my experience.

What the attempted genocide of the Jews, I agree.

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 20:23

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:14

Aw, 'livelovebehappy' except if you're one of the 70,000 Palestinian children who have been used for target practice then yeah? As long as it's somebody elses kids yeah? You might not give a shit about Gaza. Other opinions exist, and are used to assess what we think of politicians here. Oh, and keeping a million people in a concentration camp for 50 years, with limited food, water and power tends to make people angry. UN and others are very clear that nothing justifies a genocide. I'm only amazed they put up with it for 50 years before the pressure cooker exploded.

There are wars all over the world. We can’t ‘fix’ everything. Like I said, let the Middle East sort it. We have a lot of work to do to ‘fix’ the UK. Or let Hamas sort out the shit show they started. And on that note, I’m not engaging on the subject further. The Middle East threads might be very quiet at the moment, for various reasons, but that doesn’t mean you should go around trying to insert the subject into every other topic. It really isn’t at the top of most people’s priorities atm….

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:27

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 20:21

What the attempted genocide of the Jews, I agree.

Indeed, but as the genocide of Jewish people isnt the only genocide ever to have happened, and other genocides which are happening right now, perhaps more should be done to prevent tte one happenjng right now. On Europes doorstep. Since we can't stop the one which happened back then, but everybody agrees it was a horrific crime, you think it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think we should be against those happening now, wouldn't you say?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 20:28

BunfightBetty · 22/06/2026 18:04

I can't believe you have actually written that out.

Read it back to yourself - slowly - and try and consider it with a fresh mind, free of bias and prejudice.

I don’t think thinking without bias and prejudice is possible for some people sadly.

MulberryBrandy · 22/06/2026 20:28

I was just listening to the BBC and they don't know what any of Burnham's policies are. It does feel like there is now a gaping hole left - and nothing substantial to fill it.

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:33

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 20:23

There are wars all over the world. We can’t ‘fix’ everything. Like I said, let the Middle East sort it. We have a lot of work to do to ‘fix’ the UK. Or let Hamas sort out the shit show they started. And on that note, I’m not engaging on the subject further. The Middle East threads might be very quiet at the moment, for various reasons, but that doesn’t mean you should go around trying to insert the subject into every other topic. It really isn’t at the top of most people’s priorities atm….

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As I've said mentioned before on this thread, I'll talk about what I like, where I like. You might not think its an important political issue here in the UK, but I happen to think it is. Don't dictate to others where they can post and what they can post about, based on what YOU think is politically important.

the80sweregreat · 22/06/2026 20:38

I heard someone on channel four being interviewed on the street and he said the same as I was thinking , what does Andy Burnham stand for ? Where are his team , his policies ? There does seem to be a void now and amongst all the chit chat it seems to be a bit wishy washy. The problem is the press will fill in the big gaps with all kinds of things too no doubt.
His main aim was to oust the PM after being an MP and that seems to be it.

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 20:40

MulberryBrandy · 22/06/2026 20:28

I was just listening to the BBC and they don't know what any of Burnham's policies are. It does feel like there is now a gaping hole left - and nothing substantial to fill it.

Some Burnham policies:

Public control of water, energy and transport
Burnham has repeatedly advocated bringing water "back under stronger public control", pointing to the Greater Manchester bus network, which is run by private operators but has public oversight and control, as a model. He has, however, advocated public ownership for companies like Thames Water.

"We do need to bring down water bills, energy bills, rail fares, just as we brought down bus fares in Greater Manchester, to make life more affordable for people," he said in his victory speech after winning the Makerfield seat.

Social care
Burnham has been a long term supporter of reform to social care, dating back to his time as a health minister under Tony Blair in 2006-07 and then health secretary under Gordon Brown in 2009-2010.

He has repeatedly suggested inheritance tax should be replaced with a "national care levy" which, he said in a speech in 2023, would mean the "care [that] is provided is free" and "everybody would pay but obviously the wealthiest would pay the most."

Defence spending
Last week, John Healey resigned as Sir Keir's defence secretary, claiming the draft government proposals would take UK defence spending to 2.68% of GDP by 2030, falling "well short" of the 3% target he considered necessary.

Speaking to the Times a day after Healey's resignation, Burnham said alongside the 10-year approach to defence and security, there needed to be reform of public investment and procurement.

He told the paper that this would reduce the welfare bill by bringing recipients into the workforce, ensuring more money was available for defence.
"I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill. Not at all," he said.

Big council home expansion and possible tax reforms
In his campaign launch speech, Burnham said he wanted "the biggest programme of council house building since the Second World War".

He suggested this could be funded by rediverting the existing £39bn affordable housing programme entirely to social rent homes.

Also at his campaign launch, Burnham indicated he wanted to change how business, property and land is taxed, including reforms to what he described as a "highly regressive" council tax.

Burnham has long expressed support for a land value tax (LVT) - an annual tax based solely on the value of the land itself, excluding any buildings or improvements on the property.

Northern leg of HS2 making a comeback?
In an interview with iNews, Burnham said he wanted to resurrect the northern leg of HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester.

Cutting business rates
Burnham has called for a "new drive of re-industrialisation" across the north of England and the rest of the UK.

"It's about time we started backing British business and British industry so we can re-industrialise places like this," he said after winning the seat.

During the by-election campaign, his team sent out a policy document promising a cut in business rates for pubs and music venues by 20%.

That would be paid for, they said, by higher taxes of out-of-town warehouses used by online retailers like Amazon. Burnham also wants to raise the threshold at which business rates kick in, taking lots of small high street shops out of paying altogether.

Education
In his speech after victory in Makerfield, Burnham said he wanted an education system that was not dominated by the university route, but one which "offers a path for everybody, academic and technical in equal balance".

He also said he wanted to secure more work placements for 16 to 18-year-olds and guarantees of apprenticeships.

National Insurance
Burnham told BBC Newsnight he wanted to reconsider the increase in National Insurance paid by employers, brought in by Rachel Reeves in the 2024 Budget.

Waspi women
Burnham was reported to have told a hustings event during the campaign he would "stick by the Waspi women because they deserve some recompense for the unfairness".

But following concern about the cost of such a scheme, a spokesperson clarified that he "accepts the final decision" of the government not to grant compensation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywzj2vk3zo

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 20:41

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2026 20:02

Fgs. Not everything is about the Middle East/Gaza. My concerns are on how to improve the NHS, the housing crisis, sort out the cost of living crisis so we can all afford a weekly shop without breaking the bank. Improve the care of the elderly, decent education for all. Let the Middle East sort out their own shitty situation. Not our circus, and never was. Hamas instigated the ‘genocide’.

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Strange that she is trying to shoehorn it in on the topic of resignation of the PM.

MulberryBrandy · 22/06/2026 20:41

the80sweregreat · 22/06/2026 20:38

I heard someone on channel four being interviewed on the street and he said the same as I was thinking , what does Andy Burnham stand for ? Where are his team , his policies ? There does seem to be a void now and amongst all the chit chat it seems to be a bit wishy washy. The problem is the press will fill in the big gaps with all kinds of things too no doubt.
His main aim was to oust the PM after being an MP and that seems to be it.

We should definitely have a leadership for the Labour party contest. What about all those women ministers? It doesn't feel right for the man in Makerfield to stand down for this other man like Warwick the Kingmaker.

upinaballoon · 22/06/2026 20:41

When people are interviewed on the street I always wonder to what extent editors choose the reactions they like. I'm sure, if interviewed, the editors would assure me that they select a fair representation of the people they've interviewed but I might not believe that.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 22/06/2026 20:44

TeethAreImportant · 22/06/2026 20:27

Indeed, but as the genocide of Jewish people isnt the only genocide ever to have happened, and other genocides which are happening right now, perhaps more should be done to prevent tte one happenjng right now. On Europes doorstep. Since we can't stop the one which happened back then, but everybody agrees it was a horrific crime, you think it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think we should be against those happening now, wouldn't you say?

No I’m talking about the call for genocide against the Jews now.

upinaballoon · 22/06/2026 20:44

MulberryBrandy · 22/06/2026 20:41

We should definitely have a leadership for the Labour party contest. What about all those women ministers? It doesn't feel right for the man in Makerfield to stand down for this other man like Warwick the Kingmaker.

Earlier today I was trying to remember who marched south to take power and I think it was Mussolini. 'Burnham gets on train, Burnham gets off train, all hail'.

Is Wes Streeting your Warwick?

MulberryBrandy · 22/06/2026 20:46

upinaballoon · 22/06/2026 20:44

Earlier today I was trying to remember who marched south to take power and I think it was Mussolini. 'Burnham gets on train, Burnham gets off train, all hail'.

Is Wes Streeting your Warwick?

He appears to be called Josh Simons - is he going to stand for Mayor of Manchester?

MulberryBrandy · 22/06/2026 20:47

Someone who would be worried if there was a GE called - Wes Streeting. I don't think he's been coming over well and it was a close call in Ilford North.