Are we all looking forward to David Lammy becoming PM?

[ProudAmberTurtle]

There's no way Starmer can survive this latest scandal.

Lord Mandelson failed his security vetting for the US ambassador job, but he still got the post anyway.

Starmer stood up in Parliament last September and insisted "full due process" was followed — three times.

He therefore either misled parliament and has to resign under the Ministerial Code, or his advisors have misled him and parliament, which is likely a criminal matter and suggests a level of almost unbelievable government incompetence or corruption.

What great things are you hoping this country will achieve under PM Lammy?

Some misinformation on here. I’m sure people actually listening to Olly Robbins can follow his case.

Hard to disagree with this analysis if anyone is actually listening to Olly Robbins

If you’re referring to my post, please explain which part of it is inaccurate.

Yes. Very difficult to see how Starmer can remain in post much longer than the next couple of weeks. What has been revealed already is extremely damaging and there is no doubt much, much more to come.

Exactly what I thought. The vetting is a red herring. The decision was made first by Starmer and he had the due diligence to go on at that point. Which OR said had some serious issues in it.

I don't think Starmer should have been asking questions about DV clearance. You've missed the point. Ive said in several posts that the vetting is a red herring. The issue is that KS didnt wait for vetting. But had the due diligence and still made the appointment.

It was a gamble that PM would subsequently not fail vetting which he took and lost.

It seems the civil service put in place mitigations to protect the national interest regarding not letting PM see certain documents or discuss certain matters without a chaperone. This was to protect us against PM using inside information for personal gain. He had done that before.

Protecting Kier Starmer’s reputation was not their remit. It was an open secret that PM was dodgy and KS emphatically wanted to appoint him. Civil Servants aren’t allowed to override electrd politicians’ judgements. KS has shown horrendous judgement. That’s on him. He wasn’t missing any salient facts.

Well obviously i ve never been in the shout for US ambassador but i have been in rolls that require DV and SC.

Rolls offered, subject to clearance.

To me, this whole saga is a red herring, its utter clap trap, KS wasn't told, Olly R says so, PM failed clearance, OR vetoed that.... but never told anyone PM had failed, never kept a paper record, wont say who applied pressure.... he sounds totally incompetent.

This country is facing huge issues over Iran/Hormuz.. even war but what are the Tories and others doing?

...... focusing in on a diplomatic appointment made months ago... i guess its all Badenoch has, certainly no policies.

I think most people have made up their minds on KS and Mandelson and are sick to death of the whole thing.

I think most people are very interested actually. Including people on this thread. It raises huge questions about who we have running the country in this dangerous time. OR has just exposed KS in a very polite convincing and measured way as to the way he does business. And that OR has a really good case against the government for unfair dismissal.

Oh and OR said that KS had received the due diligence before the appointment which contained some very worrying findings about PM. And appointed him anyway.

Polling says otherwise.
Cost of living, NHS, Immigration... Mandelson doesn't even figure.

Yes well done for realising people on this thread are interested... but i find the hypocrisy rather sickening, Badenoch banging on about "National Security" err she has on her front bench, Pritti Patel, sacked for actually giving away state secrets whilst in Govt.
That alone, would rule her out for ever being able to get DV, possibly even SC.

I would rather Starmer wasn't PM, i think he is unsuitable for the role, however, we elected him and given the world as it is, the last thing the UK needs is a drawn out battle/election, a new PM (which no one voted for) and then a re shuffle.

Anyone truly interested in the UK, should be able to see this.

TBH pro Tories should want him to stay, he is great for the opposition.

Farage is an obvious PM, when he speaks the communication level is many layers above the clown show in power now, KB is on fire, an absolute powerhouse, remember when she looked like a lost deer in the headlights? No more, every time she stands up to speak she is demolishing Labour, she does look to be relishing it a bit too much though, like the teachers pet telling tales to the headmaster.

Investigation of the operations of a dysfunctional government led by a liar who is incapable of making a decision and sticking to it is very much in the national interest in my view.

This is what polling says:

Farage an obvious PM? Apart from the lies, the self serving nature, the complete lack of credibility, and a track record of being a disruptor? Maybe on some planet, but not on Earth.

I grant you he has charisma, but then, so did Hitler.

KB is definitely improving. In about 30 years, she may even be competent. I do agree it is quite helpful for her that Labour are giving her such a lot of help.

30 years? That’s a bit much from Labour voters. Starmer is struggling rn.

Yeah, silly comment by the pp. One of the questions that Labour posters keep asking is “who could be better than Starmer”? Badenoch for a start.

There may be a dearth of talent in Labour, and the Tories are depleted, but that’s no reason to put up with Starmer the rank hypocrite and loathed figure of fun.

ETA that it was the pp was was silly, not you.

A disruptor is what the UK public want, I thought that would be obvious by now, they are sick of the country being a globalist experiment site. If you think Farage lacks credibility I think a closer look at the present front line of politics might be needed!

Starmer is totally struggling. His ineptitude is helping KB, but that doesn't make her good.

Who do you think meets the criteria of being good?

Why does anyone assume it is just the Tories that want Starmer out? Surely plenty of Labour do too and a lot of the noise is being encouraged so if the May elections are a symbolic defeat (as widely predicted), it will be easy to say goodbye to Starmer. It is all so entirely obvious. I am far more interested in what the plan is to replace Starmer. Is there actually a credible plan because let’s face it, no PM during a war and a currency and energy crisis, what the fuck are Labour planning to do to mitigate this?
Most people in this country just want some competency. So given the Labour majority, exactly what is the plan to act in the best interests of the country as a whole? I would really like to know because not one of these politicians is going to personally bear the brunt of massive cuts etc, it will all be the poor and vulnerable.

She is good, the only person with an edge on her for presentation and connection with the public is Farage.

Same comment as above. Labour struggling does not make Farage good.

The public may want a disruptor, but only until they get one. Look at what happened with Brexshit.

At least Labour have some positives. Net migration is down by 69% (if that's your thing), NHS have a million more appointments available, more funding for policing (my town has a new police station after the Conservatives closed the previous one), and they have either delivered, or are on track to deliver a good portion of their manifesto pledges. Where it all falls down is the total lack of judgement about Mandelson, using the public as a barometer of new policy decisions, and a complete inability to get the bar right for some of the changes (winter fuel allowance change totally the right thing to do, but the bar was in totally the wrong place). Reform might be able to deliver a pizza, but that is probably all they could deliver. Farage hasn't been to one surgery in his own constituency yet, so is at least consistent in his total lack of actually doing any work.

I think Starmer has handled Trump relatively well. Farage would have had his nose so far up Trump's arse, we would have been knee deep in war by now had he been in the chair.

I am as scared of Reform as I am of Green (looking at the newest batshit there).

So it will be Labour or Tory here, whoever gets in, do not care.
Normally a Lib Dem voter.
But the former batshittery, no thanks!

Anyone remember the war of the roses? The white rose married into the Red Rose or vice versa. Whatever it takes, the middle ground will have to combat the batshittery somehow.

Let’s not forget we are the country that formally concluded Brexit on 31.1.2020, whilst Covid was already raging in China. That is plenty of madness for one bloody century.

I think its too early to judge what the implications of Starmer's actions vis a vis the US are. More than the knee jerk accolades of keeping out of the Iran war (sort of. Although that's probably because we don't have the military capacity rather than a positive choice). On the basis NATO is on the line. It will be a few years yet to see what the effects are.