Are we all looking forward to David Lammy becoming PM?

[ProudAmberTurtle]

There's no way Starmer can survive this latest scandal.

Lord Mandelson failed his security vetting for the US ambassador job, but he still got the post anyway.

Starmer stood up in Parliament last September and insisted "full due process" was followed — three times.

He therefore either misled parliament and has to resign under the Ministerial Code, or his advisors have misled him and parliament, which is likely a criminal matter and suggests a level of almost unbelievable government incompetence or corruption.

What great things are you hoping this country will achieve under PM Lammy?

Exactly, so obvious, amazing that people still want to portray this as a minor thing for government to be interested in!

Another PM is the last thing this country needs ffs. There is no magic solution in any one of the parties or any one of their leaders.

Farage is right that immigration is a topic for a lot of the electorate but he has no clue how to do any better. Instead, he’d squeeze out every public penny for his mates exactly like Trump. Polanski is a jumped up immersive actor good at saying his lines but an utter disaster as PM.

Within Labour, there are no good alternatives. Raynor, Lammy and Streeting all a disaster as PM. Johnson kicked out any sensible intelligent Tory. Starmer is far from perfect, but he is at least an adult in the room.

Everyone hand wringing but there are far more egregious incidents by many politicians. It’s the press banging on about Mandelson turning it into a dog and pony show but a new PM will make everything much worse.

Another PM is the last thing this country needs ffs.

What I can't tolerate it seeing Starmer stay in his post when it's absolutely clear that he's no better and no more principled than other of the politicians whose resignations he has repeatedly bayed for in the past, for lesser infractions. He's a fucking hypocrite.

I agree the timing for a change of PM isn't ideal but frankly I can't see that we have much more to lose at this point. We've already sunk far lower and destablised ourselves as a nation far more than almost anyone in living memory can remember. Putting someone even more left wing and ideologically stupid in Starmer's place at this point will at least just speed up and cement the inevitable. Then we can put this all behind us as a hideous experiment that didn't work, as many of us knew it wouldn't, and get back to business.

@HeadDeskHeadDesk, well said!

As I posted on here or another thread, the electorate that call this stability have a low bar!

You feel safe enough in your life to complain and you think we can't sink any lower? Farage, who has since backpeddled would have had us join trumps war at the start. How safe would you have felt then?

It's a shame Kemi Badenoch can't take over

I’m delighted she can’t.

They should try and bring someone like David Milliband back. His boys are grown up now and he understands the US side of things. I guess he probably does not want to come back to the cess pit? But at least he is actually smart.

I don’t understand how anyone can look at this car crash of a government and think, Yes, this is stability, I want more of that.

Bonkers.

She’d be gutted to know that, I’m sure.

So by your own argument, its better to have an even worse PM for the next 3 plus years, than it is to have Starmer in for this period..... who would do less damage?

Riiiight....

I ve just listened to the state of the nations health, regions where the average age for poor health starts at 51 !!!

Causes are many but the main ones are a complete lack of preventative interventions, esp with children.

The last 14 years of the Tories have damaged this country a 1000x more than anything Starmer has done, he at least is trying to undo the mess they left this country in, financially, defence and in the nations health.

We are 2nd to bottom of 25 leading economies on health outcomes, only the USA is below the UK.... all down to the Tories.

Oh for heaven’s sake.

The NHS had massive amounts of money pumped into it under the Tories.

I agree that Tory governments were culpable for not funding defence properly. But part of that was being deluged by demands for spending on everything else.

What will Labour cut to fund defence? Starmer’s government couldn’t even hold the line on winter fuel allowance cuts. The country seems to be moving to want cuts to welfare, which seems sensible. Do you go along with that?

I think if the media and other voices gave as much scrutiny and noise to the full Epstein Files as they have done to Starmer’s appointment of Mandelson, then we might actually have some more clarity and accountability on those responsible - maybe even people other than the one woman who is currently in prison (rightly so) for her part in these heinous crimes can finally be brought to justice.

I wonder why the right-wing press haven’t made more of the links between Bannon, Farage and Brexit detailed in the Epstein Files?

Mandelson shouldn’t have been appointed and the process clearly needs urgent review, but the endless speculation on this and the associated gossip about Starmer’s future from the media and elsewhere just feels like unnecessary noise at this point, particularly amidst much more significant issues including a cost of living crisis, the ongoing war in Ukraine, the US/Israel attacks on Iran, etc.

What is controversial is the fact that it is not just the Opposition gunning for Starmer, there are plenty in his own party doing it too. So that is that.
It is a very sad state of affairs that they cannot be on the same page given the majority they do have and the difficult position the country finds itself in. It is an embarrassment.

As regards the health of the nation - as if the health service is ever the whole picture. Good healthy habits are also down to culture. No health service is ever going to pick up and manage terrible habits, too much alcohol, UPF, lack of exercise etc from a young age. Why some people in the UK and the US are so extremely lazy about looking after themselves, We cannot just blame the Tories for eg the Italian and Spanish being healthier than the Brits. That is ludicrous.

Agree it’s culture and that Starmer staying or going is more at the whim of Labour MPs than anything else.

With over 400 MPs and covering a broad church of Labour, all MPs will rarely agree fully on a single issue. It is naive to think otherwise. There, of course, critics from within the Labour Party - like the Corbyn faithfuls, for example. That’s politics, reality and democracy.

There are many more disaffected Labour MPs than the Corbyn faithfuls. Probably 90% of Labour MPs know that Starmer’s useless and want rid of him. But they won’t vote for him to go in front of the Privileges Committee because they’re just feeble hack politicians, not independent thinkers.

They’ll chuck him out after 7 May when the terror of losing their seats gets too much for them and overcomes their fear of the whips.

Where are you getting your 90% data from?

From a careful and scientifically controlled survey of Labour MPs.

I bet!

So, armed with my careful and scientifically controlled survey of Labour MPs, and my in-depth peer-reviewed psychological study of them, I can tell you that Labour MPs are:

(a) mostly very thick
(b) people whose ambition far, far exceeds their abilities
(c) pathetic losers who are easily cowed by threats from whips
(d) have usually had no experience of work or responsibility outside NGOs, charities, unions or local councils
(e) are fearful of losing the letters ‘MP’ after their name, because they think that makes them very important, and
(f) they all know that Starmer is a fundamental liability but will only act against him when their livelihoods and self-importance as MPs are so threatened that they find some courage to bring him down - as to which see (a) to (e) above

Whoever replaces him, AB, AR? loads of them will still be losing seats, they just want their personal gravy train to continue as long as possible IMO.

I often despair when the unions supported Red Ed over David, but he’ll never return to uk politics.

They are ALL ‘fucking hypocrites’. I agree that all of them need to stop going on about bringing in a more ethical, principled set of politics, as there will always be politicians who lie, are pedophile or rapist adjacent, embezzle, give contracts to friends and family, have an affair, accept bribes etc and this goes back to John Major’s family values if not forever.

But we have so much more to lose under Farage or Polanski or even under a Lammy or Streeting (pals with mandelson) and most of all Tory Scum Raynor PM. I, for one, do not want to see the UK get worse for the sake of my DCs.

I don’t understand how anyone can look at this car crash of a government and think, Yes, this is stability, I want more of that. Bonkers.

I am not a Labour supporter and don’t appreciate Reeves sneak taxes but this cabinet has achieved some good outcomes amidst a terrible global economy. First the tariffs, now this ridiculous blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. It is not Starmer’s fault that the US elected a sociopath. Replacing Starmer with any other Labour leader will not make for a more stable economy. Replacing him with a leader from another political party will make everything much much worse. However, the British electorate seems currently incapable of rational thinking so I’m not holding my breath. It’s always reactive voting.

Hope that sad little rant was therapeutic for you, it can’t be easy carrying around so much bigotry and bitterness every day.