Conservatives closing the gap on reform

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Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

Yes @aashish111 would appreciate that, thank you.

No, what is really sad, is you can’t see, the damage the conservatives did, when they were in for 14 years and you’re only now listening to the far right propaganda.

I'm in Gwynedd. I'm not sure you want to get into a debate about local authority competence in gwynedd and Plaid, especially in relation to schools safeguarding!!

Back to the Brexit analysis which I seldom do because it happened 9 whole years ago.
Had there been strong leadership from the lead politicians the result would IMO have been different.
Had Tory Front Bench and Corbyn been stronger either for Leave Then the majority would have been decisive, say 60/40.
If Corbyn had come off the fence for Remain with the Unions we would have had 60/40 remain.
With a strong leave result The EU would have taken more notice in the negotiations especially if Cameron and Osborn stayed on to head the negotiations.

What we need now is to consider the Future for the Country not the Party.

Cameron, agreed to it and pushed for it, it was under his watch.It’s just so easy, isn’t it, to blame every other party, who weren’t even in government!

So, are Labour fixing these things?

I’m surprised people still don’t know anyone who has been negatively impacted by Labour. There are so many, jobs, hospitality, SMEs

Ahh no. Horrifying. Fair enough. Still REALLY don't think reform are your answer but hope a decent independent candidate turns up.

@EasternStandard hmm l just haven’t got a short memory, when it comes to the last government
who were in for 14 years.

So are we seeing all those issues fixed and reversed now? At least moves towards fixing them?

Absolutely genuinely asking. I dont much like Tories or Labour and just want a halfway decent party to vote for.

I mean I'm stuck with the horrific SNP so its a moot point, really, but still. We need a capable government and I dont see much of a bawhair between Tory/Labour rule.

And right on cue here comes the leftist who can’t stand that anyone might have different views than their own . Far right propaganda lol get a grip .

But you must know people impacted by Labour now? People stressed due to their policies.

Hmm speak for yourself and take your own advice😬

I know more people whose lives were adversely affected by the policies of the previous government.

And the current government?

I suppose the result of Labour policies is exacerbation of the split in the country. People who "know more people whose lives were adversely affected by the policies of the previous government." are presumably saying that under Labour those people's lives are now improving. That means those people are probably on benefits, work for the public sector or are immigrants. Because not many other people could say that their lives have improved under Labour.

Interesting to see that while the private sector jobs market is being decimated (see today's figures re the near halving of graduate jobs for example this year) Labour are increasing public sector jobs (paid for by the dwindling private sector). The cynic in me wondering why they would do something so counterproductive, suspects it might be something to do with getting their vote...Notwithstanding that it will pile on more debt for our children and wreck the economy.

Desperate times.

I’d be very concerned about Reform forming a government unless they have convincing policies on things like transport infrastructure, environment, adult social care, skills and employment, energy security, and education. From what I can see they’re a one trick pony, focusing all their energy on immigration which they appear to blame for absolutely everything. They have completely bolloxed up Kent County Council and haven’t delivered or committed to their election promises. Farage is an expedient weasel who will say whatever will get him into power, and there are still questions about links to Russia.

Kemi has been undistinguished - she’s not a winning prime minister and is only in post as an interim. The Tories know they’ll lose the next election - memories of Covid and Brexit lies and profiteering are still too fresh. Once they lose they’ll replace her with someone they can get behind to win in the election after that.

Yep it’s understandable people who know more in those groups will stick to Labour but overall their support is falling. Next May will be interesting.

Issues weren’t being fixed when the conservatives were in for long enough, what was it 14 years.
I just feel, people are yes, fed up with politician's what with Brexit, covid, etc which did badly affect our economy, which is going to take years to improve
I just don’t understand why Labour are getting all the blame, which conveniently is coming from the Tories and their voters and right wing press.My concern is, reform, and the conservatives will do anything to get back in, and will align with them.

Are you a very high earner? If not Reform's policies aren't aimed at helping you. And rather like Brexit will make you poorer.

Yes, this^

Who will win the next GE in your view?

yes, exactly this.

Well, Labour have made themselves unelectable for at least another decade, so it really does come down to a choice between Tory and Reform. Pick your lesser evil.

It's shocking just how badly Labour have performed. I know a lot of people expected a shit show but I think this Labour government has set a new low.

It's a two horse race now between Reform and Tory whether people like it or not.

@ThisQuirkyHare that’s rather defeatist, the lesser of 2 evils, in your opinion it will between them, so you’re going to help them on their way🤷‍♀️