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Conservatives closing the gap on reform

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Pinkponyclub3 · 21/12/2025 01:23

Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

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fashionqueen0123 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Kemi speaks sense on some topics but - have people forgotten what the Tories did?
as above they ruined the court system. It’s a complete mess.
Punished uk citizens for marrying people from another country but letting everyone else in.
Destroying the NHS and no jobs for drs.
and had some lovely parties during Covid and lied through their teeth. Had Boris as a leader ffs.
Then we had Michael gove messing up schools and playing around with GCSE’s.
How could anyone consider voting for that!

EasternStandard · 21/12/2025 22:24

tobee · 21/12/2025 22:22

Low energy weirdo’ surely only a weirdo would think that. She’s about to beat all the other male leaders in approval ratings.

what a load of waffly nothing

Nonsense. It’s the case. Look it up.

If you think she’s doing badly and Starmer is doing well you’re in a shrinking minority. Enjoy

JoyintheMorning · 21/12/2025 22:43

Have been a Tory ever since Labour devalued the Currency and Harold Wilson tried to tell us the pound in our pocket was worth the same as it was before. He took us for fools!
With Boris and Truss I was ashamed of them. I still have Conservative instincts and believe in Conservative values.
We must only pursue true ethical values and campaign on them. Never again to compromise those values to 'win'. Never again accept funding from dodgy businesses to keep the HQ building. If we fail next time then we fail on honest terms.

(I'm not quite sure about Jenryk). I think Jacob Rees-Mogg will repent and do the right thing in future. His brain would be useful.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 21/12/2025 22:44

fashionqueen0123 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Kemi speaks sense on some topics but - have people forgotten what the Tories did?
as above they ruined the court system. It’s a complete mess.
Punished uk citizens for marrying people from another country but letting everyone else in.
Destroying the NHS and no jobs for drs.
and had some lovely parties during Covid and lied through their teeth. Had Boris as a leader ffs.
Then we had Michael gove messing up schools and playing around with GCSE’s.
How could anyone consider voting for that!

Because parties change as new members join and the world moves on?

napody · 21/12/2025 22:46

Periperi2025 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Because Plaid are working towards getting rid of the last, mostly, English language secondary school in the whole county, despite many many parents/kids (including Welsh speaking ones) actively choosing to send their kids often long distances to go there. This is not democracy. I want my DD to learn her STEM subjects through English in preparation for university, i don't think this is too much to ask in the UK.

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I agree there should be the choice- which county is this?
I just don't think, if education is your priority, reform are the way to go. That's the biggest understatement I've ever written. Unless you want your child learning their STEM in Russian, I guess....😉

Look at what's happening in Leicester and kent: public services have been hit by a hurricane of shite. Does competence come into it at all? Honestly these chancers shouldn't be trusted to do a paper round never mind to run things.

wiffin · 21/12/2025 22:49

yellowspanner · 21/12/2025 21:30

I will vote Reform. They are now the biggest party so I am really hoping they'll win at the May elections

They're facists. Cannot run local councils. Take bribes from Russia. Will remove rights from anyone not wealthy, white, male and heterosexual.

Please actually read their policies (when they actually have some) and check on their record in local government (it's shit).

wiffin · 21/12/2025 22:51

Fishingboatbobbingnight · 21/12/2025 04:14

Dead Ringets Radio 4. Friday evening. The best parody of ‘Kemi’ .. ‘low energy weirdo’
Sorry but after 14 years of the utter shit show of the Tories , nothing would take me there again. I work in criminal justice. I have women waiting 7 years for a rape trial ! Because there are not enough CPS lawyers, criminal defence barristers now earn less than minimum wage unless high flying KCs not people who take legal aid cases. Not enough court ushers or judges.. and even then , if this all gets overcome, then the courts themselves are so poorly maintained, they often close at short notice.
This is the reality of the Tories decimation of basic public services. Just one area. Husband works for Environment agency who no longer have resources to prosecute fly tipping ! This is basic stuff. Much more important than bloody hyped up thinly disguised ‘immigration concerns’ In the year ending June 2023, net migration was about 906,000 people (immigrants minus emigrants), one of the highest levels on record. Tories in power.

It was 604K last year and 204k this year. So get some actual facts from reputable sources like the ONS rather than right wing press propaganda as that is only telling you what you want to hear. Not what is actually happening.

As for Farage. Well I don’t have the energy. If people are really that thick. You can’t debate anything with stupidity.

Dead ringers are a work of genius

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:05

fashionqueen0123 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Kemi speaks sense on some topics but - have people forgotten what the Tories did?
as above they ruined the court system. It’s a complete mess.
Punished uk citizens for marrying people from another country but letting everyone else in.
Destroying the NHS and no jobs for drs.
and had some lovely parties during Covid and lied through their teeth. Had Boris as a leader ffs.
Then we had Michael gove messing up schools and playing around with GCSE’s.
How could anyone consider voting for that!

Agree. People seem to have very short memories!

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:15

HoneyParsnipSoup · 21/12/2025 22:44

Because parties change as new members join and the world moves on?

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Hmm, if you say so.That’s the problem we haven’t moved on? Wasn’t it David Cameron’s big idea, to put it to voters to stay or leave the E.U? Where’s all this money, the uk are now supposed to be saving from leaving the E.U, that’s what they said, according to the conservatives and reform???

wiffin · 21/12/2025 23:31

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:15

Hmm, if you say so.That’s the problem we haven’t moved on? Wasn’t it David Cameron’s big idea, to put it to voters to stay or leave the E.U? Where’s all this money, the uk are now supposed to be saving from leaving the E.U, that’s what they said, according to the conservatives and reform???

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You're not supposed to ask that! It's all the fault of covid. Or immigration. Or putin. Or immigration. Or anything other than brexit.

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 00:05

@wiffin indeed

ExamHellDoubled · 22/12/2025 00:06

I like Kemi, she seems like a sensible woman and I’d vote for her.

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 00:23

People also liked Boris, thought he was going to be different @ExamHellDoubled that ended well🙄
Kemi has already said the conservatives are NOT ruling out going into coalition with reform! How very sensible!!! it sounds very much like if they can’t beat them they’ll join them.

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Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:36

Beentheredonethat98 · 21/12/2025 18:32

I imagine the next election will see a lot of tactical voting to keep certain parties out of power. People will be voting AGAINST candidates not FOR them. So someone might vote Conservative to keep Reform out, or Lib Dem, or even Labour rather than allow a Reform candidate to win.
Same will apply to anyone trying to keep Your Party or the Greens out if they ever look like winning a particular seat.

My DH and a lot of my friends did this at the last election.they all voted lib dem to keep conservatives out ,as lib dem had most chance of winning in our area

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Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:42

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 00:23

People also liked Boris, thought he was going to be different @ExamHellDoubled that ended well🙄
Kemi has already said the conservatives are NOT ruling out going into coalition with reform! How very sensible!!! it sounds very much like if they can’t beat them they’ll join them.

That may not be bad thing
It may tone down reform,
And it may mean reform don't run a mock with the NHS

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Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:44

It does look to me like we are getting a reform government next time .
But that makes me very worried for the NHS and disabled individuals
They also talk tough on immigration,but don't have an actual plan for stopping the boats ...which I believe is why people are voting for them

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Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 07:00

Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:42

That may not be bad thing
It may tone down reform,
And it may mean reform don't run a mock with the NHS

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Reform though! They give me the shivers, too many lies! As for the Conservatives, they ran amok when they were in last time.I think people are just fed up, right now, just blaming Labour but it’s not all Labour’s fault, the Conservatives did plenty of damage.

ForCraftyWriter · 22/12/2025 07:04

Pinkponyclub3 · 21/12/2025 12:25

I didn't know any of this
Are labour making in roads to sorting it out

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Well who do you think has made the inroads reducing net migration from 900000 to 600000 to 200000 this year? This is the labour government clearing up the conservative legacy. These figures are 100 times more important than the boat people the press loves writing about

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 07:40

ForCraftyWriter · 22/12/2025 07:04

Well who do you think has made the inroads reducing net migration from 900000 to 600000 to 200000 this year? This is the labour government clearing up the conservative legacy. These figures are 100 times more important than the boat people the press loves writing about

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I don’t think everyone agrees with you hence Labour trying to chase Reform with Mahmood’s policies.

TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 07:46

ForCraftyWriter · 22/12/2025 07:04

Well who do you think has made the inroads reducing net migration from 900000 to 600000 to 200000 this year? This is the labour government clearing up the conservative legacy. These figures are 100 times more important than the boat people the press loves writing about

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Except the drop in migration has come from policies introduced by the Tories before they left office which Labour has continued with.

The Boris wave was a disaster and anyone in office after him would have reduced migration. The student visa disaster is also being exposed for what it is.

aashish111 · 22/12/2025 07:57

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Beentheredonethat98 · 22/12/2025 07:59

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:15

Hmm, if you say so.That’s the problem we haven’t moved on? Wasn’t it David Cameron’s big idea, to put it to voters to stay or leave the E.U? Where’s all this money, the uk are now supposed to be saving from leaving the E.U, that’s what they said, according to the conservatives and reform???

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Just on a point of fact, an EU Referendum was not Cameron’s idea. Lib Dems, Greens and Labour all supported an in/out Referendum on EU membership and also had it in their manifestos. Lib Dems had been pushing it since 2008 and Labour were lucky to avoid one on the EU Constitutional Treaty (because France and The Netherlands had already held referendums and voted against).

All political parties were equally complacent on this question and an overwhelming majority of MPs across the House supported the ridiculous simple majority terms of the vote. No other country would have approved such momentous change on the back of a simple majority, one off vote. Complete failure of the entire political class.

soupyspoon · 22/12/2025 08:02

Beentheredonethat98 · 22/12/2025 07:59

Just on a point of fact, an EU Referendum was not Cameron’s idea. Lib Dems, Greens and Labour all supported an in/out Referendum on EU membership and also had it in their manifestos. Lib Dems had been pushing it since 2008 and Labour were lucky to avoid one on the EU Constitutional Treaty (because France and The Netherlands had already held referendums and voted against).

All political parties were equally complacent on this question and an overwhelming majority of MPs across the House supported the ridiculous simple majority terms of the vote. No other country would have approved such momentous change on the back of a simple majority, one off vote. Complete failure of the entire political class.

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Absolutely this, I will never forgive the Labour party for this.

hattie43 · 22/12/2025 08:03

Kemi has really impressed me the last couple of months , I do think she’s upped her game in response to Reform . Tbh any party on the right will do for me . Watching the decimation of the country under Labour is too sad .

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