Conservatives closing the gap on reform

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Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

You are living in a very privileged bubble if you dont. We have an unprecedented situation at the moment. Vast immigration taking low paid jobs. And coming Ai which will transform white collar jobs and mean people will also want those low paid jobs. Don't bother studying law for example. The industry is going to contract.

The British arent all passive sheep. Some are.

People in the U.K. won’t do the jobs that immigrants are doing.

If they would why’s there such a care sector shortage?

Its sad when people admit to voting for 'anyone that keeps Reform/Labour etc out'.
It seems we are resigned to unspiring/incompetent/lacklustre politicians who do nothing to attract our vote. It"s more of a hold your nose, vote for the least worst option. I think that's why the attraction of Reform stays stubbornly high. They are the red emergency button, people don't care about their record, they just want a change from the same old parties forming the same old incompetent governments.

YouGov voting intentions has Reform on 27%, Labour 18%, Tories 17%.

Very few polls show the gap closing, the poll that did, was commissioned by the Express.

Have the Conservatives learned to listen to the masses? Tis the only way to win a GE in a democracy surely-if they have I’ll vote for them again.

Firstly are we really happy with creating an underclass of society that arent from here and that do the jobs "white" people wont? Is that really what our immigration policy is?

Secondly Labours employment reforms and tax together with AI will mean that soon UK citizens will be perfectly happy to do those jobs. Or go on benefits which is what Labour are encouraging people to do. Which is of course immoral. But that's Labour for you. No longer the party for the working class.

Maybe ‘class’ isn’t needed there at the end.

Yes the Telegraph poll puts the Conservatives ahead of Labour on 18.5%. Labour on 18%. Reform on 29.3%. I think they use the data from Yougov, Opinium and Savnta.

From the same article, a survey by Lord Ashcroft Polls put Labour in fourth place on 18 per cent of the vote – behind Reform (25 per cent), the Tories (22 per cent) and the Greens (19 per cent).

Makes sense.

Absolutely this

I think Kemi is basically the second coming of Thatcher, which is essential with our enormous non-working population and ‘you can’t make me’ mindset.

Did you just block out the previous 14 years they were in? Austerity, university fees up massively (plus interest on the loans ), Brexit, Covid mishandling…

Prior to fear selling off of council houses without replacing, selling of utilities so everything costs more now, selling of water industry, transport…

Totally different set of people.

Idk if your job is secure but if it gets to that Labour’s not working advert stage there’ll just be a need for job creation.

Do you just ignore the first five years in coalition?

Did you block out the intervening 13 years of Blair/Brown who did bugger all to deal with the problems and managed to make things worse?

Voting Tory or Labour is like being given two loaded guns and your only choice being which gun to shoot yourself with.

We've been governed by incompetents or fraudsters for decades now and continuing to vote Tory or Labour really won't solve the inherent problems.

Neither will voting for a bunch of even greater incompetents - Reform, Greens or Your Party.

UK voters can be very complacent about retaining what we have. Take a look at countries like Argentina (one of the wealthiest countries in the World 125 years ago) or Venezuela (destroyed by a series of incompetent, corrupt ideologues) It could happen here too.

Which previous government? Which particular administration do you take issue with? Or is it just ‘the last 14 years blah blah blah’ which if I hear another non-Conservative MP trot out I will need to distract myself my peeling off my own eyelids.

Did I sleepwalk through a coalition government for the first five years of that 14? Did I also sleepwalk through voters choosing successive Tory governments because the alternative was so unpalatable?

Boris and Truss were a disgrace but all other Conservative PMs were decent people dealing with endless drama. Keir Starmer wouldn’t have stood a chance then either.

The problem is though, The Tories, will go into coalition with Reform! That worries me, l don’t trust Reform.The conservatives will sadly align with Reform😔

Sadly I think you are right.

The Tories were by far the senior party in the coalition.

The endless drama you refer too, was caused by them and their Brexit policy, Cameron was a bloody idiot, this policy led to Boris and then Truss, tbh Sunak was little better, a recession in the last 6months of 2023 and "lost" £11bn in Covid fraud, then cancelled HS2, 29bn down the drain.

What could Reeves do with that £40 billion right now!

God no . absolutely not
They were all disastrous decisions
But they are done know .
To be honest I'm politically homeless
I'm here starting this thread ,just clutching at straws as to which way to turn
Every time I think I'm settled on who I support, something comes up like what you just mentioned and I'm back to square one .
I'm very concerned about reform getting rid of the NHS
I'm very concerned labour don't have a clue what they are doing,busy giving our money away left right and centre..millions to Ukraine, millions to contraception in Pakistan,..making it easier to employ someone from India than UK ..
Conservatives started it all with the Boris wave ..and now it's out of control
Greens are of their trolley
And lib dems don't even feature
Where am I supposed to vote ...

Now ,not know ..auto correct...

Good.

I have never supported the conservatives but anything that prevents that far right, fake patriot, grifter Farage from ruining the country has to be welcome.

I’m no fan of the Tory shitshow but let’s not be under any illusion, Brexit was years in the making. We should blame Tony Blair for the increasing political union with Europe. Cameron was left to deal with that. An economic union was just fine, but Europe weren’t content with that.

The majority of money lost to Covid fraud was furlough as recently reported, not PPE fraud. Dishonest businesses claiming money for staff who weren’t even working. Warms your heart, doesn’t it?

As to giving RR £40 billion, are you having an actual laugh?

It won’t though, unfortunately, Kemi has already said the conservatives will work with Reform😔