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A Christian sermon is now more controversial than a nazi salute! WTF!

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 11:51

Republicans' reactions to Rev Mariann Budde include calls for her to be booted out of the US due to her sermon reminding the congregation (which included Pres. Trump) that the Christian message features some very basic principles such as treating others with humanity and respect. Georgia congressman Mike Collins Budde, a US citizen, “should be added to the deportation list” because of it. So, is the US now a place where people will condemn the basic tenets of Christianity but celebrate a nazi-saluting notorious proponent of trans-humanism (why doesn't Trump call out this frankly creepy and downright wicked pursuit and picks on vulnerable people instead?)? What of freedom of expression? A one-way street? Those who branded the Reverend 'leftist' and closed their ears to her message should not be calling themselves Christians.
One of my good friend lives in Georgia. She told me that one of her local church ministers got told off by his congregation for talking about the ten commandments because 'too leftist'. I shit you not. I don't normally pray - at least not publicly- but really, God help us all!

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Hoppinggreen · 22/01/2025 14:05

Adamante · 22/01/2025 14:02

It wasn’t. He touched his heart and threw love out. Maybe overly excitable & sentimental, but not Nazi. Don’t those who claim it was realise how ridiculous you sound? What are you going to do when Trump & his regime really do start screwing up? No one will take it seriously or probably even notice because they’ll be too busy reporting on bullshit Nazi Salute claims. The Dems & their pet media people never seem to learn. The longer this crap goes on for the longer Dems will be perceived as pernicious liars and they’ll never get voted in again 🙄

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He's just a loveable fool who had no idea that making something that looked like a Nazi salute could possibly look like a Nazi salute
Bless

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 14:07

Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 14:04

🙄 Just like all the others posted on this thread, it’s a STILL image. Obviously anyone could find themselves captured like that for a split second. To compare those kind of images with the moving footage of Musk and all the context provided in that footage is completely disingenuous.

Also, prove it's not a deep fake!
Why should we take those pics at face value?

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ThePerkyDuck · 22/01/2025 14:14

I agree she was amazing and brave to speak up. Ultra rich have used the scapegoats in minorities like immigrants and LGBTQ+ communities in all the economical and social issues that most of the countries are facing now using all sorts of platforms to demonise and point fingers. All this is happening coincidentally in times when the rich get richer and the poor poorer.

CornishPorsche · 22/01/2025 14:41

Adamante · 22/01/2025 14:02

It wasn’t. He touched his heart and threw love out. Maybe overly excitable & sentimental, but not Nazi. Don’t those who claim it was realise how ridiculous you sound? What are you going to do when Trump & his regime really do start screwing up? No one will take it seriously or probably even notice because they’ll be too busy reporting on bullshit Nazi Salute claims. The Dems & their pet media people never seem to learn. The longer this crap goes on for the longer Dems will be perceived as pernicious liars and they’ll never get voted in again 🙄

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
George Orwell, 1984

Those of us with eyes and ears know what we're hearing and seeing. We're also capable of seeing there is more than one issue with Trump, his mates and his politics.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller

peachgreen · 22/01/2025 14:42

Whimsicalgrape · 22/01/2025 13:08

He is a card-carrying cunt though. Much like trump etc.

Now there's something we can all agree on.

stormy4319trevor · 22/01/2025 14:54

Mrsbloggz · 22/01/2025 13:19

Trump is the new Jesus 😱
Everything else flows from that.

I think there are some who believe he's something to do with Revelations, indeed!

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 15:07

stormy4319trevor · 22/01/2025 14:54

I think there are some who believe he's something to do with Revelations, indeed!

Those will be the people who pray for the Rapture to take place within their lifetime.

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 15:11

To them, Trump is basically a cross between Richard Lionheart and Captain America... bravely leading the chosen few to Heaven through the fires of Armageddon. I wish I was exaggerating.

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FumingTRex · 22/01/2025 15:14

Jesus was a sandal-wearing leftie, it’s surprising that the church is more associated with the right.

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 15:15

FumingTRex · 22/01/2025 15:14

Jesus was a sandal-wearing leftie, it’s surprising that the church is more associated with the right.

In their version, Jesus is an AR carrying Rambo type.

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 15:18

I'll sign off now... As a matter of fact I'm off to one of those deep-red states...

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sugarapplelane · 22/01/2025 15:20

This is where it started in Europe in the 1930’s. Read the history books people.
It started off small and ended up with the Holocaust.
History has a habit of repeating itself as humans don’t learn.

justasking111 · 22/01/2025 15:33

Reading this thread no wonder shrinks make so much money.

RhannionKPSS · 22/01/2025 18:16

I’m not going to elaborate on what I’ve written, you have your opinion and I’ve got mine , so suck it up Buttercup

Porcuporpoise · 22/01/2025 18:28

RhannionKPSS · 22/01/2025 18:16

I’m not going to elaborate on what I’ve written, you have your opinion and I’ve got mine , so suck it up Buttercup

Don't blame you. First rule of holes: when you're in one, stop digging.

Nn9011 · 22/01/2025 19:36

sugarapplelane · 22/01/2025 15:20

This is where it started in Europe in the 1930’s. Read the history books people.
It started off small and ended up with the Holocaust.
History has a habit of repeating itself as humans don’t learn.

People are so quick to dismiss the comparisons but it is absolutely terrifying the comparisons from the journey of Weimar to Ww2 and America today. I don't know how many can't see they've slow walked into facism.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/01/2025 19:41

Even without getting into contentious debate, there is a clear and evidenced record of violence and murder against lesbian, gay and transgender people

Could you please evidence the transgender part of your statement in the US?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/01/2025 20:33

Yes as I suspected practically none statistically and nothing like the levels experienced by women.

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 20:40

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/01/2025 20:33

Yes as I suspected practically none statistically and nothing like the levels experienced by women.

I didn't say it did. And as you will be aware - just as with women - violence is under-reported and in many areas not recorded when it is reported. But if we want to start talking about violence against women, we could start with (a) Donald Trump (b) Elon Musk and (c) pretty much the entire Republican Party who have removed the rights of women to determine what happens to their own bodies. It is not a race to the bottom. Any violence is abhorrent, and those who are targetted because of who or what they are have every right to express their fears. And some people are brave enough to speak for them. If you haven't heard of Pastor Neimoller, I am sure that the good Bishop has.

Midge75 · 23/01/2025 08:32

Snorlaxo · 22/01/2025 12:15

It’s obviously not a Nazi salute. Some people are calling it that because it suits their bias that MAGA must be fascist.
X have lots of videos of left wing people doing the gesture eg AOC and Obama but it’s not considered a Nazi salute because they aren’t right wing.
If this was a MN’s son on stage then people would be saying disability discrimination as EM has Asperger’s and his body movement can look awkward and exaggerated to NT onlookers.

There’s going to be at least 4 more years of extreme dead cat politics so brace yourself.

Are there videos? I’ve only seen stills, one of which also had a video which showed clearly the arm was mid wave. Musk’s salute is remarkably similar to this one:
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/people-do-the-heil-hitler-salute-as-neo-nazi-groups-blood-news-footage/1656162915

People do the Heil Hitler salute as neo-Nazi groups Blood Tribe, and...

People do the Heil Hitler salute as neo-Nazi groups Blood Tribe, and Goyim Defense League hold a rally on September 2, 2023 in Orlando, Florida. An event touted as the "Red Shirts March" and a show...

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/people-do-the-heil-hitler-salute-as-neo-nazi-groups-blood-news-footage/1656162915

StandFirm · 23/01/2025 18:40

Rev Budde's book How We Learn to Be Brave is now a bestseller!

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dubsie · 23/01/2025 20:05

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 11:51

Republicans' reactions to Rev Mariann Budde include calls for her to be booted out of the US due to her sermon reminding the congregation (which included Pres. Trump) that the Christian message features some very basic principles such as treating others with humanity and respect. Georgia congressman Mike Collins Budde, a US citizen, “should be added to the deportation list” because of it. So, is the US now a place where people will condemn the basic tenets of Christianity but celebrate a nazi-saluting notorious proponent of trans-humanism (why doesn't Trump call out this frankly creepy and downright wicked pursuit and picks on vulnerable people instead?)? What of freedom of expression? A one-way street? Those who branded the Reverend 'leftist' and closed their ears to her message should not be calling themselves Christians.
One of my good friend lives in Georgia. She told me that one of her local church ministers got told off by his congregation for talking about the ten commandments because 'too leftist'. I shit you not. I don't normally pray - at least not publicly- but really, God help us all!

I totally agree, it's scary but it's the tone of facism. People don't like the truth they just want to hear a tone that sings there song book.

It's scary and it will have a huge impact to those living in Britain. Musk is going to derail the government and put Farage in Number 10....I couldn't bare to live under such leadership.

Im selling up and moving back to Ireland, I'm looking for a simpler life and thankfully I still own my late parents house in County Cork.

dubsie · 24/01/2025 08:43

Next you'll see them burning books they don't like, rounding up journalists who print stuff they don't like and black listing them...in the end unspeakable things will happen to certain groups.

We've seen it before many times and we just think we are different. But it's happened before and it will happen again.

People need to accept that we are all different and it's not a crime to be different. Christianity teaches tolerance and love. I'm happy to talk to a neo nazi but I have the right to call out his views as deeply wrong. Platforms like Twitter and Facebook should filter out anything hateful, violent and discriminatory...it's no different to having TV content filtered. Young minds need protection from all this noise and learn love and compassion and my view is that the media is hurting vulnerable young minds by imprinting this rubbish from an early age.

Children should be playing, fishing, learning about the world, making friends and being themselves and it's not a politicians job to go on a woke war or attack someone for their views.

I've made my decision that the UK will become one of Trump's battle grounds and I've put my house on the market and I'll be waving my EU passport when I enter Ireland and I ain't coming back.