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A Christian sermon is now more controversial than a nazi salute! WTF!

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 11:51

Republicans' reactions to Rev Mariann Budde include calls for her to be booted out of the US due to her sermon reminding the congregation (which included Pres. Trump) that the Christian message features some very basic principles such as treating others with humanity and respect. Georgia congressman Mike Collins Budde, a US citizen, “should be added to the deportation list” because of it. So, is the US now a place where people will condemn the basic tenets of Christianity but celebrate a nazi-saluting notorious proponent of trans-humanism (why doesn't Trump call out this frankly creepy and downright wicked pursuit and picks on vulnerable people instead?)? What of freedom of expression? A one-way street? Those who branded the Reverend 'leftist' and closed their ears to her message should not be calling themselves Christians.
One of my good friend lives in Georgia. She told me that one of her local church ministers got told off by his congregation for talking about the ten commandments because 'too leftist'. I shit you not. I don't normally pray - at least not publicly- but really, God help us all!

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Snorlaxo · 22/01/2025 12:20

His irrational behaviour is probably more about drug use than anything else tbh

Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 12:20

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Would love to know what fraction of a brain you’re in possession of…

Hoppinggreen · 22/01/2025 12:21

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I would say that nobody with an actual brain thinks it wasn't
Anyway, I am not a Christian and don't generally like sermonising BUT whatever your view this woman is very brave and principled.
It took some courage to do that and she is being true to her faith.

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 12:22

knitnerd90 · 22/01/2025 12:18

Actually, all the autistic people I know (myself included) are steaming mad about the "but he's autistic" defence. Magical how many of us manage to not look like we're doing Nazi salutes.

Well said. He seems to roll out that diagnosis whenever it suits him - it is apparently also responsible for his harassing women and bullying people. Of course, with the money he has you can buy anything.... including diagnoses.

Floppyzebra · 22/01/2025 12:22

This is what happens when you start with a lie (that he did a nazi salute), you end up pushing people away and losing them.

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:23

Again he pumped his heart then arm out not a nazi salute at all 🤦‍♀️ did you post about Kamala doing it ? What about Obama ? What about Taylor Swift ? No ? Didn’t think so. This is getting tiresome and people really need to start using their critical thinking skills.

And that was not the time nor the place for the so called sermon.

A Christian sermon is now more controversial than a nazi salute! WTF!
A Christian sermon is now more controversial than a nazi salute! WTF!
sugarapplelane · 22/01/2025 12:24

RhannionKPSS · 22/01/2025 12:04

It wasn’t Christian at all, she was rude, patronizing, pathetic and lied.

Of course it was Christian. What she preached was all that is good about Christianity.
Jesus forgave and was tolerant and merciful. These are the teachings of the bible.
I’m an atheist but was moved by what she said.

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 12:24

And that was not the time nor the place for the so called sermon.

😂😂😂

Now I have heard it all. A church is not the place for a sermon?

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:27

Not the time or the place? A church? After the most controversial figure in modern American history has re-entered the White House? Talking about unity and respect at that time is wrong?? Have you been to the US recently and seen how extremely divided it is? I've recently been to both blue and red states. It really quite obvious.
Only through calm and respectful influences like hers can we survive the coming era. Those values might move underground but they'll never die off and I love that she voiced them whilst she could.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2025 12:30

Hedgerow2 · 22/01/2025 12:03

She was wonderful wasn't she? I had the service on tv but wasn't really paying attention until she started with her plea for mercy. I was transfixed! And delighted to see that Trump was clearly furious! He thought it was a disappointing service ... The sheer hypocrisy of claiming to be an instrument of god but implementing such cruel policies. I don't know how Trump and his cronies have the audacity to set foot in a place of worship.

Yes she was and I too was delighted at her courage and faith. Mariann Budde, Bishop of Washington carried out her Christian duty with grace and humility.

Well done that woman.👏👏👏🤎

Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:30

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Interesting. So the Jewish academics who believe he gave a nazi salute have half a brain? Nice.

Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 12:31

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:23

Again he pumped his heart then arm out not a nazi salute at all 🤦‍♀️ did you post about Kamala doing it ? What about Obama ? What about Taylor Swift ? No ? Didn’t think so. This is getting tiresome and people really need to start using their critical thinking skills.

And that was not the time nor the place for the so called sermon.

@Whoknew24 Are you seriously unable to appreciate the significance of moving versus still images in these circumstances? And you have the audacity to lecture on critical thinking skills 😆

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:31

And the Germans certainly recognised it for what it was. They would know.

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Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:27

Not the time or the place? A church? After the most controversial figure in modern American history has re-entered the White House? Talking about unity and respect at that time is wrong?? Have you been to the US recently and seen how extremely divided it is? I've recently been to both blue and red states. It really quite obvious.
Only through calm and respectful influences like hers can we survive the coming era. Those values might move underground but they'll never die off and I love that she voiced them whilst she could.

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

CornishPorsche · 22/01/2025 12:34

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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When is an appropriate time for a bishop to preach, exactly? If not during a sermon?

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:35

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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When did I say you were not entitled to your opinion?
I have mine and I'm voicing it. Call that 'pushing a narrative' if you like. You are 'pushing' yours. That's what a discussion forum is about.

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Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:35

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:33

I like how you ignored everything else. . Not surprised.

And no I felt she was rude and patronising and do not feel it was an appropriate time. My opinion I am adult and I entitled to have one. You keep on pushing your narrative !

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Can you elaborate on this? Interested to know how a bishop preaching in a church service about Christian fundamentals was rude and patronising. Would you also say Jesus was rude and patronising?

peachgreen · 22/01/2025 12:35

I think Elon Musk is a drug-addled narcissist who is a bigot in any number of ways, and the biggest risk to global stability this side of Putin, but he wasn't deliberately doing a Nazi salute, and all the energy we're wasting talking about it is simply playing into his/Trump's hands.

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:37

Thistoo2023 · 22/01/2025 12:31

@Whoknew24 Are you seriously unable to appreciate the significance of moving versus still images in these circumstances? And you have the audacity to lecture on critical thinking skills 😆

Exactly as I thought. It’s ok for all the others but not anyone connected to the current administration. I’ll leave you all to it, while the new American government get on with the job.

Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:37

RhannionKPSS · 22/01/2025 12:04

It wasn’t Christian at all, she was rude, patronizing, pathetic and lied.

Please do elaborate on this. Two of you have used the words rude and patronising. I'd love to hear your reasoning. To me it looked like a Christian bishop in a Christian church service in a Christian church preaching some fundamentals of Christianity.

Some American Christians seem to think that the basic fundamentals of Christianity are exclusively about abortion and homosexuality.

StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:38

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:37

Exactly as I thought. It’s ok for all the others but not anyone connected to the current administration. I’ll leave you all to it, while the new American government get on with the job.

Well, the new American government should absolutely get on with the job instead of vilifying a bishop for preaching Christian values.

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StandFirm · 22/01/2025 12:40

Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:37

Please do elaborate on this. Two of you have used the words rude and patronising. I'd love to hear your reasoning. To me it looked like a Christian bishop in a Christian church service in a Christian church preaching some fundamentals of Christianity.

Some American Christians seem to think that the basic fundamentals of Christianity are exclusively about abortion and homosexuality.

If they're not careful, some strands of fundamentalist Christianity in the Bible belt might become to Christianity what the Talibans are to Islam.

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Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:40

Zonder · 22/01/2025 12:35

Can you elaborate on this? Interested to know how a bishop preaching in a church service about Christian fundamentals was rude and patronising. Would you also say Jesus was rude and patronising?

Why would I need to elaborate to you ? That’s my perception that’s my opinion I do not need to elobrare any further. You’re all left supporters and upset they’re now in government. So I’ll let you all loose your mind while common sense is being restored.
reply by all means I wouldn’t waste my time returning to this ridiculous thread.

Whoknew24 · 22/01/2025 12:41

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Oh resorting to insults that’s normally the case with left. Toddle to you to !

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