Why do people in the UK support Trump?

[Kendodd]

I've even seen MAGA flags (ok, maybe the owner was American). But Trump's focus and ONLY thing he cares about is America. He couldn't give a shit about the UK and would happily see the UK in ruins if it benefited America.

It doesn't matter as all of that is just a distraction from what he's really doing anyway. The loud and silly things are what everyone will pay attention to while that cohort of selfish billionaires slowly gains control of the entire country. Getting rid of the environmental protections, dropping out of the world health organisation and Paris accord, scrapping the education department... all opens up so many business opportunities for his slimy besties. That's the real issue and what is really going to be the problem after his term. His hellscape of billionaires are going to run private schools, private jails, fracking companies destroying all the drinkable water so they can sell you bottled water later, and on and on and on.

I'm American, I'm invested.

It is 100% because he says what people think, and people are uneducated, uncaring, and incapable of seeing beyond their most immediate needs and wants. It is easier to blame others - immigrants, lefties, the wider world in general, scientists - than it is to enact real change.

Also, to everyone who says the left is ushering in the far right by calling their voters ignorant - sorry, but no. Ignorant voters are ignorant. Poor educational systems facilitate this. Racists making decisions based on racism does happen. Billionaire colonialists meddling in elections is not democracy in action. Stupid people making stupid choices has happened since the beginning of time, it's happening now, they will drag the rest of us down with them, and I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings but the world is not lurching to the right because of left leaning people calling out MAGA and Brexit voters for the thickos they are.

If all you can do is call people dim, gullible and incapable of critical thinking because they don't want rapists in women's prisons, or their children removed for not 'affirming', and want an end to the child mutilation and sterilisation, then it is you who can't think critically.

So you're saying the majority of your country, who voted for Trump, are stupid, racist and/or poorly educated then? How did this happen given you've had a Democrat government for the last four cycles bar one when he was so opposed that he barely managed to get anything done anyway? And how do you explain that "Far Right" governments/political parties are gaining ground all over the western world?

So the dislike of woke is monumental enough that people would support a corrupt convicted criminal with no morals who degrades, insults and incites violence, hatred and makes decisions on the basis of how much money he can cream off personally?

The balance seems missing here

Evidently.

It always seems to be the 'righteous left' who throw out insults and hate, shut down debate. Not all, as a few on this thread demonstrate. But it's interesting they don't see how they are fuelling division and a key component to the ultimate success of figures like Trump.

If you 'can't see' why people might vote for Trump over Kamala or vice versa (because those are the options) then you might be the one hard of thinking.

@rewilded
Where women are denied agency over their own bodies? Where a rapist is president? Where people without financial means are denied health care? Where most of the country has no minimum wage? Where you can be fired or not hired because of the colour of your skin?

Because they have right wing, anti-woke leanings. They love the way he describes immigrants, they love his patriotism, they love his anti-trans rhetoric.

I would have voted Trump. Our leaders are weak.
Pro controlling immigration - properly.
Pro economic growth by deregulation and lower taxes. Our government are crippling this country.
Signed an Order that there are two genders, male and female, and you can only go in the toilet related to your birth gender. Protects girls and women, about time.
Puts his citizens first - sending masses of aid to Arizona, California and other disaster areas. Biden sent each family $750.
Aspiration - going to Mars is awesome and will propel innovation which means new ideas and products across all kinds of industries
Trump doesn't start war - he will end them. Even if that means giving up territory I'd rather people were not being blown up.
Being harsher with that terrorist Israeli government, forcing a ceasefire. It was Trumps team that threatened to slow support to Israel. They killing will stop.
Forcing NATO countries to meet their 2.5% obligations on defence spending - uk can't even map out a timetable and have 30,000 active soldiers yet claim to lead....

How arrogant. I imagine you to be insufferably smug in real life and I bet when you declare your pearls of wisdom to others, they are eye rolling you behind your back. You will not be as clever as you think you are.

Or perhaps they are sick of having to walk on eggshells lest they upset a wokester and lose their jobs?

I don't think this is the case though. The anti-woke people claim they're being silenced but actually shout the loudest.

The people in the UK who like Trump are usually the same people who decided to convince themselves that Covid was a hoax because they were too childish to cope with the reality of a pandemic which stopped them doing what they wanted to do.
What an incredible sweeping comment to make, with no evidence at all

Life is not easy in America. It is huge, fragmented, unfair, and inward looking. We are raised to be confident and individualistic - this doesn't always align with the needs of society at large. America is also very comfortable for many many people, people have an excellent but unsustainable quality of life there. People are nervous, and the media supports this feeling of being under threat. Or, people are struggling and unsupported. America has huge problems and Trump is indicative of this.

So yeah, my country is clearly not in great shape, and Trump is a symptom not a cure.

I don’t think that’s true. There’s plenty of loudness from the woke if you need to use that term.

A lot of this is push and pull and many people get fed up and things swing back.

I used to think this... but no longer do, you cannot argue with "Stupid" some people really are thick, they lack the capacity to see what is staring them in the face, like UK citizens who live in France etc but voted for Brexit or Americans that think that Trump had the 2020 election "stolen" from him...

No amount of listening will change their minds, i mean how do you convince someone who thinks that far right rioters like those who stormed the Whitehouse should be released? or Tommy Robinson is in jail for "Telling the Truth" ? or Vaccines don't work?

No amount listening and addressing concerns will change their minds.

I've tried, someone i used to be friendly with, believes jet plane trails are really gasses pumped into the atmosphere to alter the weather.... no amount of reasoned argument will ever change her mind.... she has lots of other weird beliefs too, reasinably well educated, runs her own busness.

Because there is a growing number of people who get their news from TikTok and twitter made in people's bedrooms with no degree of proper investigation journalism

I understand and appreciate your description, but it doesn’t answer my question and explain why it’s in such bad shape after almost two decades of Democrat input, in such bad shape that Trump is being seen as a possible cure by the majority of your people?

Name someone in the UK who lost their job for being woke, as opposed to those who have had to take their employers to employment tribunals for being gender critical (and have won). There isn’t anyone.

As of today Trump’s executive order protects employees from having to believe in gender woo to keep their jobs.

@Adamante you're 100 per cent right on me being inattentive! I won't deny that.

Despite that fact - I believe my original point still stands.

I can agree to disagree though; and won't be losing any sleep tonight over it.

Oh I’m a huge fan of “agree to disagree” 😁 I will always push back a little though when someone snarkily implies I am “thick” just because I don’t agree with them.

Must be tough for you to be in the minority of people in the US that isn't stupid and uneducated.

Precisely this

Very articulately put - and exactly right

I don't understand why it's in such bad shape either. It wasn't always, I don't remember things ever being this divided and negative and awful. Personally I think this is what happens when society doesn't have enough safety nets such as free at the point of use health care, and employment rights. Life feels way more precarious in the US.

Also, I think this is the last stages of American 'greatness'. We are being supplanted, we won't always be this relevant or wealthy, and that feels scary.