Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

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It's been revealed in multiple media sources after much speculation that Dominic Cummings has been whatsapping Musk with strategies to undermine the UK government and our democracy. For a while commentators have been speculating that Musk must have a hard right UK informant, since he's not across any detail himself and really has no understanding of the UK or our political system himself (see his comments about asking the King to dissolve the government). He's clearly been radicalised by watching Tommy Robinson's videos, and now we discover it's Cummings up to his dark tricks again.

I don't think I've ever wished harm to another person but honestly I wish Cummings would just bugger off for good.

I think you've just found out that most people are really actually just slightly right of centre in this country; small "c" conservatives no matter which way they vote and don't like the way things are going and are horrified by the revelations about what's been happening. There's nothing AI generated or conspiratorial about it.

They burnt parts of Croydon down.

What about thr BLM riots? When Keir starmer "took the knee". He loved those particular guys. Just not the white working class ones oop north.

Don't get me wrong, Biden/Harris were awful. But Trump lead an insurrection, which is a pretty big fucking deal. He's also a convicted felon. The mainstream media in the US were willing to portray Biden and Harris in a more positive light and overlook their obvious flaws for so long, because Trump 2.0 was unthinkable. Trump was deplatformed from twitter along with other conspiracists.

Musk not only re-platformed them (e.g. RFK, Alex Jones), he then actively boosted their views. He dragged right the Overton Window on what is acceptable discourse. For a British perspective, he is not only tweeting 'Free Tommy Robinson' but has reposted Tommy Robinson's disinformation film and suggested that everyone should watch it. He said that Farage isn't fit to lead Reform (who Musk wants to run the UK) because Farage doesn't support Tommy Robinson.

If you were on twitter in the lead-up to the presidential election you would have been completely bombarded with pro-Trump messaging from Musk, with reach and impact that you absolutely couldn't have paid for.

And if you don't think Trump knows that, look how close Musk is to him now. Every video. Trump has even had to tell people that Musk isn't eligible to be President. If you hadn't been paying attention, you might be surprised about how Musk is always there.

And if you still aren't sure of Musk's influence, take a look at what Zuckerberg is now saying about the social media he controls. He is absolutely following Musk's lead there. Why do you think that is?

The big problem is the blurred lines of truth and lies.
we live in a democracy as do the people in the US.
Starmer and Trump were both democratically elected and if we believe in a democracy we have to accept that fact, live with it and use our voting rights to change it at the next election if we don’t agree with them.
Elon was posting tweets declaring his wish for the UK Government to be removed by undemocratic ways. This is wrong.
Plus as he doesn’t know how our democracy works, so he posts stupid things like saying KC should remove parliament. This is not helpful and this wrong statement just inflames the situation and emboldened the keyboard warriors who re-tweet his pro-announcements and give him the validation he is looking for.
Let’s be clear, I have no problem with free speech and opinions, provided they are supported by facts and evidence. Elon merely tweets his personal beliefs which have been shown in the case of Tommy Robinson are very different to reality. This is why I consider Elon to be a danger to democracy, a man with too much power purely because he is rich.
My biggest fear is that Elon is not doing it because he believes, remember a few years ago is was a democrat, but because he can. Like devil making mischief, spinning tales and causing chaos.

I don't think anyone has hijacked this thread with far right debates about race and ethnicity have they? Or have I missed something?

Really? I'm shocked if that's the case. Are these people you know or is there some sort of poll on this? Do these people only follow Tweets from US billionaires and not any UK news sources?

Were there significant BLM riots in the UK?

Protests that got out of hand for sure but riots like in the US?

Taking the knee isn't solidarity with a violent fringe.

Because they've finally realised the emperor has no clothes. And that no one supports the left wing madness.

I think it is. The BLM riots were racist. And Keir knelt..

Have you ever listened or watched an interview with someone called Maggie Oliver. A very inspiring lady with no political axe to grind.

@Hoppingabout let me try again; which riots?

There was a TV drama about it! It was everywhere. If you’re only hearing about it now I have concerns.

What do you think about Musk's vocal support for Tommy Robinson?

I agree. I think it's significant, and perhaps even worrying. But it's certainly not outrageous for commentators and officials to express views on other countries' politics and social problems. We’ve been doing it to the US forever, and never more so than under Trump (who I’m no fan of either).

Keir Starmer took the knee to visibly side with the view that the US is riven with systematic, murderous, racialised injustice. That was injecting himself in one side of a US culture war (even if he would frame it more broadly perhaps).

That wasn't outrageous. It's part of politics and part of life that we get to have and express views. Whether we are rich or poor, and whether we have official positions or not.

I'm.not talking about me personally. I'm talking about the.country. And Jess Philips has only just rejected Oldham's request for government help in the enquiry. This needs highlighting. I'm.amazed at the.number of people on this thread who don't seem to care. Child mass rapes? ? Yes but Elon! Elon bad! It's shocking.

@Hoppingabout why are you acting like this is brand new information and hasn't been in the public domain since 2011?

This is the third repost I've had making this point and I've not even stated what my politics are?

In regards to the issue with the grooming gangs - this has been a scandal that's rumbling on for ten years, at least in the mainstream press. Some stories were published even earlier. It's laughable to assume Musk is shining a light on it unless you are that disengaged with current affairs. I just find I hard to believe the uptick in posters coming from this angle are ALL posting in good faith.

It's a hideous scandal, in which no party comes out looking good - Labour for initial sidestepping because it was too 'awkward' to deal with the very obvious racial aspects, the Tories for not implementing the recommendations and somehow only now, out of office, finding the backbone to speak out and Reform for happily jumping on this to stir outrage and get airtime.

It's not a party political issue. Sexual abuse never is. Groups and institutions will always paper over sexual abuse in their ranks because it's easier than disrupting the status quo and will use sexual abuse scandals in their opponents ranks as a stick to beat them. It's disgusting.

In regards to the grooming gangs - it is revolting these girls were abused and their race was used as an excuse by the perpetrators. The abusers justified it because they saw white girls as 'easy' or whatever other slur you can use to suggest they were fair game. But part of reason the response from the police, social workers, teachers etc was so paltry was because THEY also didn't fundamentally view the girls as victims - they were poor, working class and in care, probably viewed as no hopers and "they're all like that". It's just such a damning scandal about so many different aspects of our nation and culture.

I don't agree with that personally. But he's free to do what he wants obviously.

I am interested in the message than the messenger however unpalatable he may be. I am able to.differentiate between the two things and think for myself, which some people seem unable to do unfortunately.

Yup. The class aspect of this is hugely important and being overlooked at the minute by many.

But when you see threads on here with people thinking that it was fine in the 90s for 14 year olds to be dating 20 odd year olds (spoiler most of us thought it was creepy then too) you can see how these things get swept under the carpet.

It is also very telling that the coverage of the all white grooming gang in the SW on social media was significantly less. It’s awful wherever it happens. We need to support ALL girls regardless of background. We need to ensure ALL boys regardless of background respect women. EM repeatedly demonstrates he does NOT. He is no help in this whatsoever, and would do better to look at what is happening in his own adopted country.

Ok I agree with much of your post. I just don't want to get sidetracked with Elon Musk and the ridiculous accusation raised in the title of this thread. I wish our politicians would stick to sorting out the rape gangs and don't go off on tangents for political or idealogical reasons just because they don't like an individual.

This is really, really serious.

No it isn't 🙄

You just pretend it is to keep fostering fear and outrage and because it's against your chosen political belief system. Musk is just a gobby blow hard. Everyone knows it and the longer he continues the more bored everyone will get with it.

At any rate we couldn't carry on as we were, the UK is failing in case you hadn't noticed. Time someone got to the point! Dominic Cummings though, would never have thought it was him. He's been such a petulant brat baby since he got sacked so I suppose it's not surprising. Wouldn't have been my first suspect though.

What's ridiculous about Cummings helping Musk?

They seem jolly like disruptor bedfellows to me.

What you seem to be doing is picking out a bit of the message that you agree with and just focusing on that, ignoring the whole rest of the message and what is going on.

'Tear down the UK government, the UK is on the brink of civil war, the government are complicit in mass rape and are apologists for genocidal rape and a danger to children, particularly Keir Starmer, this dreadful grooming scandal happened on his watch and he is complicit, watch this video from Tommy Robinson and free him from prison, vote Reform, but not with Farage at the helm because he had the audacity to disagree with me'.

And your response is 'great, finally someone is talking about the grooming scandal'.

And if you still aren't sure of Musk's influence, take a look at what Zuckerberg is now saying about the social media he controls. He is absolutely following Musk's lead there. Why do you think that is?

of course you can completely gloss over the amount of influence that Zuck’s platform had over people and that information was being suppressed on the platform by that company which he’s now been public about. I suppose you want to blame Musk for that too?

The transcripts were only released last week.