Dominic Cummings is Musk's informer

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It's been revealed in multiple media sources after much speculation that Dominic Cummings has been whatsapping Musk with strategies to undermine the UK government and our democracy. For a while commentators have been speculating that Musk must have a hard right UK informant, since he's not across any detail himself and really has no understanding of the UK or our political system himself (see his comments about asking the King to dissolve the government). He's clearly been radicalised by watching Tommy Robinson's videos, and now we discover it's Cummings up to his dark tricks again.

I don't think I've ever wished harm to another person but honestly I wish Cummings would just bugger off for good.

Do you think anyone who agreed with Labour figures posting about Trump and the US government, intending to influence US and other voters’ opinions, and possibly actions, and pursuing their own political interests was a “fucking idiot”?

For clarity - and as I’ve said on this thread - I take no more notice of Musk than I would of anyone else. He seems like a very odd and unreliable man to me. And I’m no fan of Trump.

But there are some double standards at work here.

Which bit about the grooming gangs is “uninformed cobblers “
Not a trick question… I genuinely prefer to deal with the details rather than your opinion ( which of course you’re entitled to)

If you're praising Musk for 'shining a light on grooming gangs' then you are absolutely praising Musk for the two things that I listed above. Because when he is posting about grooming gangs, he is doing in a particular manner, and for exactly those two reasons.

If you don't think calling a minister a 'rape genocide apologist' and the prime minister 'complicit in mass child rape', while saying that the UK needs to be freed from its 'tyrannical government' is whipping up hatred and division and encouraging violence, then I can't help you there.

Nothing wrong with a disruptor to political
systems. Sometimes the shit needs stirring even with an already dirty stick!

So are you ok with Obama having a view on UK politics

Fine if so but others from US will too

"I take no more notice of Musk than I would have anyone else" is a particularly stupid position to hold. I doubt Trump would have been re-elected without his support and if you are unaware of the influence that he holds, particularly over social media, then you should probably start looking into it.

Who is shutting down debate on grooming gangs? People are just asking for informed debate that doesn’t sway into / get hijacked by far-right narratives on race and ethnicity.

Furthermore, within democracy, there are also laws on defamation by libel and slander - if ‘free speech’ becomes defamation then people are and will be made accountable. Free speech doesn’t mean saying whatever you want without any responsibility or consequence.

As for advisors Cummings did more for Starmer via partygate than Starmer did for himself

Interesting to see the shoe on the other foot

‘Informer’ in thread title is a bit silly but Cummings can be lethal in direct strategy.

I don't know why but this site feels much more reform/right sympathetic lately and much more so than other social media/forums I read. It feels artificial and unpleasant and makes me really wary of reading politics threads now.

I know Musk has his own agenda.
I agree his language is unacceptable and incites hatred.

I do think he is right to shed light on the way these atrocities have been minimised and downplayed. Maggie Oliver who has been a staunch advocate for the girls is pleased the matter is getting more attention.

I think the shutting down of debate increases support for extremism. Much better to have the debate out in the open.

it’s possible that the following two things are true:
Musk’s motives are not altruistic
The grooming gangs issue has not been properly investigated and addressed.

He is a dangerous disruptor

I think Musk is particularly upset with Starmer because of the people put in jail for inciting violence via twitter.

Musk's stated obsession with free speech, and control of twitter means that someone else overruling him on what is acceptable on his own platform probably really rankled.

It’s likely moving away from Labour echo chamber is feeling different

Different views are fine. People in the public have them and this is an open forum

You seriously think that? You think that Musk got Trump elected and that his words are really persuasive?

So nothing to do with Biden’s health or calamitous decision to fight on for so long, or public dissatisfaction with Biden, or the Dems’ campaign?

The Reps won the Senate too. Was that Musk’s doing?

As for his words, anyone can see he’s a weirdo. You can see it, I can see it. But you think less of everyone else’s ability to think and judge.

Stupid? Yes, but it’s not me.

More billionaires funded the Democrats. They had a much higher sum of money and celebrity and media endorsement. Let that sink in.

Musk knows zero about protecting children in this country or any other and cares even less
it is not remotely surprising if Cummings has been briefing him on issues which (an idiot would think) Labour are vulnerable on
directing vile misogynistic abuse at the one person in the government with practical experience in actually helping women and girls gives you a clue as to how much either of them are genuine on this matter
maybe I blame Cummings even more than Cameron or Johnson for the shitshow that Brexit has entirely predictably turned out to be

Hmmmm maybe. I have no issue with different views and I've enjoyed this site previously because I feel it has an interesting spread of views.

But I feel more and more posts have a real conspiratorial edge. Whether this reflects more people feeling angry/suspicious/believing more extreme sources/holding more extreme opinions or just AI generated junk being thrown on threads, I don't know but it's worrying.

I’m not sure a spread of views was welcomed, it was usually met with bot, paid or HQ or similar

Finally mnhq just deletes posts that do this

I prefer a mix without that kind of attempt to drive off views

I suppose it was okay when you felt everyone agreed with you? And for those who didn’t in the past just had to suck it up if they weren’t left leaning?

the fact is right/left are meaningless now, everyone is tarred with being far right if they disagree online. No wonder thousands are leaving X (and hilariously, now Facebook) for BlueSky where it’s all cosy echo chamber devoid of critical thinking people who cannot countenance a differing view and who end up shocked when votes don’t go their way back in the real world.

Were you not already aware of the problem of grooming gangs in the UK? There has already been a 7 year enquiry amongst others and a whole load of headlines?

Doubt it. They are tow completely different things. I'm assuming you can be "far left" and still want an enquiry into rape gangs. It's not a tribal issue. I'm hoping??

'More and more posts have a conspiratorial edge'.

You mean like 'Dominic Cummings is leaking info to Musk who is then trying to take down the UK government'?

Or

'The UK government is trying to take down X and other free speech platforms and actually jailing people who post their thoughts on social media'?

Which is the conspiracy?

The difficulty with Elon Musk's interest (although I think overall amazing for the victims of mass rapes nationwide let's not forget) is that it all now seems to be about this minister. And Parliamentary time.mainly taken up by talking about her. Rather than the victims.

A lot of people weren't. They are now. And that can only be a good thing. All of us in the UK will live in or near a city or town where it's still happening.