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How dumb are Labour

305 replies

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 10:47

Just seen this and I swear they keep forgetting they won the election and are in power now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

The constant gaffes and sixth form debate club politics are very embarrassing. I was ready for change, but fucking hell.

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer speaking in front of a small crowd

Labour volunteers in US helping Harris 'in spare time', Keir Starmer says

The prime minister said volunteers from his party travelled to the US for "pretty much every" presidential election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

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DotPotato · 23/10/2024 16:50

Optically it is utterly unbelievable. Couple that with the beef that has been started with Elon Musk (see his latest “This is war” tweet)… and they must be sat there saying to themselves “but no one told us it would be this hard, everyone was supposed to love us”….

Zonder · 23/10/2024 16:51

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 14:30

Nigel Farage used nearly £33,000 of donor cash to help support Donald Trumpp in the US election - months before he complained about Labourractivists volunteering for Kamala Harris.
After he was elected as an MP, the Reform UK leader missed the King's Speech to travel to Wisconsin in July to attend the Republican National Convention (RNC).

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-used-33000-uk-33952661

Was this election inference?

Excellent point.

I suspect that doesn't count because
A) Trump is his bestie who didn't want to see him after his "shooting"
B) it doesn't help in slagging off Labour.

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 16:53

Labour paid for top Starmer aide to attend Democratic National Convention.

Details of Morgan McSweeney’s trip follow Donald Trump’s accusation of interference by UK party.

Trump’s lawyers alleged in a lawsuit this week that Labour party help for Harris constituted “illegal foreign campaign contributions and interference”.

Oh dear, what a tangled web Labour are weaving….

Rummly · 23/10/2024 16:54

It’s come to something when posters’ Labour defence line is “but Farage did it too!

If Farage does something it’s best to avoid copying him.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 16:55

It comes to something when posters dont acknowledge that Conservatives have also volunteered in previous elections when they were in Government.

DuncinToffee · 23/10/2024 16:58

It's a non story because this has been happening for decades, involving both Labour and Tory people helping both Democrats and Republicans.

And it happens in reverse, with US strategists often working on UK campaigns.

Farage is not used as an excuse but to highlight the hypocrisy around this sudden outrage.

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 17:00

DuncinToffee · 23/10/2024 16:58

It's a non story because this has been happening for decades, involving both Labour and Tory people helping both Democrats and Republicans.

And it happens in reverse, with US strategists often working on UK campaigns.

Farage is not used as an excuse but to highlight the hypocrisy around this sudden outrage.

Good of you to say so - you may want it to go away, but the media beg to differ.

This story’s gonna run.

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 17:01

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 16:55

It comes to something when posters dont acknowledge that Conservatives have also volunteered in previous elections when they were in Government.

Once again - were they accused of interference in a US election?

Yes/no.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 17:02

The media don't decide whether something is in breach of regulations.

Katypp · 23/10/2024 17:02

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 16:36

My point is that if Conservatives are doing exactly the same as Labour - and not for the first time. Unless you are expressly stating that no Conservatives has volunteered in any previous election?

You are completely ignoring the point that Labour are in Government, Conservatives are not. That's the issue.

EasternStandard · 23/10/2024 17:03

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 17:01

Once again - were they accused of interference in a US election?

Yes/no.

This it’s the legal action that puts it in the press

It’s interesting if there’s been a kind of comfort about doing this as pp says

Don’t put it up on LinkedIn for a start - as head of operations for governing party

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 17:04

The Conservatives were in government and volunteered.

What you are saying is that legislation and regulations apply differently depending on the party involved. Funny that.

Rummly · 23/10/2024 17:05

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 16:55

It comes to something when posters dont acknowledge that Conservatives have also volunteered in previous elections when they were in Government.

If they’ve done that, I think it was wrong and foolish of the Tories. But as it’s Labour in power, they’re the ones receiving the deserved criticism.

I still can’t understand what possible good it could do for any US candidate. The massive machines of the Rep and Dem parties can hardly need volunteers from the UK. And even if they did, how much assistance could 100 people give across a country that size?

Just seems like a recipe for ill feeling in the US. As this latest Labour debacle demonstrates.

Bromptotoo · 23/10/2024 17:08

Katypp · 23/10/2024 17:02

You are completely ignoring the point that Labour are in Government, Conservatives are not. That's the issue.

No it's not.

It's clearly the case that Labour have a majority in the commons and therefore in government.

That has no bearing on what the party's members can do.

DuncinToffee · 23/10/2024 17:17

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 17:00

Good of you to say so - you may want it to go away, but the media beg to differ.

This story’s gonna run.

Let it run, it will go the same way as the freebies story.

It is still a non story

Katypp · 23/10/2024 17:23

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 17:04

The Conservatives were in government and volunteered.

What you are saying is that legislation and regulations apply differently depending on the party involved. Funny that.

I think there are many posters who are accepting behaviour from Labour they would never, ever accept from the Conservatives.
All those who criticised every move the Tories made are strangely accommodating when it's Labour dropping the ball, I find.
And no, not being as bad as the Tories is not really justification

EasternStandard · 23/10/2024 17:27

Rummly · 23/10/2024 17:05

If they’ve done that, I think it was wrong and foolish of the Tories. But as it’s Labour in power, they’re the ones receiving the deserved criticism.

I still can’t understand what possible good it could do for any US candidate. The massive machines of the Rep and Dem parties can hardly need volunteers from the UK. And even if they did, how much assistance could 100 people give across a country that size?

Just seems like a recipe for ill feeling in the US. As this latest Labour debacle demonstrates.

For a while Harris was ahead and I can see Labour getting caught up in the high but it may not pan out that way

Also it’s not in the press because the media found out, it’s being reported due to the legal action

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 17:35

Oh dear, what a tangled web Labour are weaving….

Oh dear, what an idiot Trump is making himself look but then what’s new?

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 18:18

DuncinToffee · 23/10/2024 17:17

Let it run, it will go the same way as the freebies story.

It is still a non story

Death by a thousand cuts.

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 18:19

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 17:35

Oh dear, what a tangled web Labour are weaving….

Oh dear, what an idiot Trump is making himself look but then what’s new?

Well, that idiot may soon have a greater impact
on your little life, than you would like.

SukeyBenedict · 23/10/2024 18:21

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 16:31

Were you able to leverage your experience towards bigger and better things?

Ha. No.

DuncinToffee · 23/10/2024 18:24

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 18:19

Well, that idiot may soon have a greater impact
on your little life, than you would like.

Do you want a Trump win?

MNISLW · 23/10/2024 18:33

This honestly has to be the worst start to a new government ever.

Own goal after own goal after own goal…

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 18:52

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 17:04

The Conservatives were in government and volunteered.

What you are saying is that legislation and regulations apply differently depending on the party involved. Funny that.

This does interest me (if true), you're saying there was a ConservativesforTrump equivalent group of Conservative party officials that volunteered for the republicans in the past three elections while serving as the governing party? Can you show me where this happened?

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MNISLW · 23/10/2024 18:54

DuncinToffee · 23/10/2024 18:24

Do you want a Trump win?

Did you vote for Labour in the GE, and how did you vote during the Brexit referendum?