How dumb are Labour

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Just seen this and I swear they keep forgetting they won the election and are in power now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

The constant gaffes and sixth form debate club politics are very embarrassing. I was ready for change, but fucking hell.

They may well have paid for flights and housing though, even if they are currently claiming they didn't. @SukeyBenedict said a few posts back that they funded it when she went to campaign for Obama. Plus that message from the Head of Operations makes it sound pretty official.

Well, good for you for wanting to improve on your previous posts on this thread.

Whichever way people want to spin it, it’s terrible PR, and a diplomatic snafu. All it has achieved is to rile a vindictive Trump, and now Musk.

Labour and their ‘volunteers’ should focus on governing and getting their own house in order.

Fucking idiots.

What I can’t understand is how British canvassers would help a candidate in the US.

If I were an undecided voter in the US (I wouldn’t be: I’d never vote for Trump), a spotty British activist telling me who to vote for in my own country would go down like a cup of cold sick. If I heard that the spotty British activists were stuffing envelopes or making placards I’d feel equally fucked off.

Wouldn’t matter which side they were ‘helping’.

Yes but I'm not sure I see the relevance here.

I said - "So provided that the Labour party in this case didn't pay for flights etc then there is no breach of regulations."

As for Trump - the idea that anyone outside of Russia has any influence on him is for the birds.
His views on NATO are well documented. His views on Ukraine are well documented. His desire for a trade war on China well documented.
There is your realpoltik.

I don't actually care about the US election, I'm more concerned about our government bungling on the international stage. The Labour party needs to focus on the UK, they are the government now and everything they do and say is under scrutiny. There is no reason or excuse for our government or our government officials to be involved or interfere in the election process of another country. They could get away with it in opposition (not really, but no one cared), but please realise they are the government now and it is not on. The Head of Operations for the Labour Party (currently in government) should not have posted that and it is just one more thing that makes me realise they haven't switched from protest party to government mode. Just be professional and I'll have no issues. Also I reckon the Labour party are paying for their volunteers, there was a "we" in the post.

It’s not like you go out on the stump. You don’t go and knock on doors 😂

You’re pre-planning events. Logistics. Booking hotels. Managing campaign buses. All the behind the schemes logistics. Making sure people on the phone banks have refreshments. Planning transport for press teams etc etc.

as for why you’d do it… I was in my mid twenties, loved The West Wing & got an all expenses paid trip to the USA to work on a real, live, exciting presidential campaign. I went to awesome parties, met incredible people, stayed in awful hotels, great hotels, people’s spare rooms. Let some lovely people who are still close friends today. Why wouldn’t you want to go and have such a great once in a life time opportunity?!

So my saying “If I heard that the spotty British activists were stuffing envelopes or making placards I’d feel equally fucked off” didn’t register with you?

Why the laughing emoji? Not only did you not read what I wrote but you seem to find yourself strangely funny.

Agree

its completely inappropriate for people affiliated with the government and in the name of the Labour Party to be publicly organising to influence the outcome of a foreign election. Along with the incredibly naive call to boycott P&O ahead of the international trade announcement it makes them look like student politicians who are completely out of their depth.

I mean, it didn’t register, no. Why would I, internet random, care about you, internet random, being ‘fucked off’ about a fantastic experience I once had?

Yeah, way to miss the point.

I’m pleased you had a good time playing at being an extra in The West Wing. But that’s got nothing to do with whether British activists are or aren’t counter-productive to a US presidential candidate.

So if Labour paid for you and it’s been happening each election, why wouldn’t they pay this time?

It's in Labour's and the UK's best interests to do all they can to prevent Trump gaining power so totally support them in that!

No idea. I haven’t been a party member in many many years. I find most things they do completely baffling.

I agree OP, it seems rather ill advised now the Labour Party are the Government. I'm thinking that they haven't quite got the hang of being in power yet. I appreciate they have been in opposition for 14 years but their inexperience is evident. It's a shame they aren't being advised better and have so few cabinet members with governmental experience.

The Times reports today that members of the Consservatives are out in the US volunteering at the moment.
Robert Buckland has spoken about it.
Where are the outraged threads about that?

The Conservatives are NOT the Government of the UK.

Precisely.

In a polarised US, and during a bitterly contested election, with an assassination attempt and an encumbent with questionable mental acuity….

Were you able to leverage your experience towards bigger and better things?

My point is that if Conservatives are doing exactly the same as Labour - and not for the first time. Unless you are expressly stating that no Conservatives has volunteered in any previous election?

"Volunteers from both Labour and the Conservative Party have assisted in many previous U.S. elections."
Washington Post 23/10/24

Has a presidential candidate previously accused UK political party members of interference in any US elections?

Just asking.

None of them have ever been like Trump

Just saying

Ok I get why you had a good time and it was a positive experience

Atm the response seems to be we’ve always done this, but if it’s the same conditions as your trip it would be against what’s allowed