How dumb are Labour

[ohdelay]

Just seen this and I swear they keep forgetting they won the election and are in power now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

The constant gaffes and sixth form debate club politics are very embarrassing. I was ready for change, but fucking hell.

Agree with you - behind closed doors Starmer and Co, and any Labour party supporter, can do and say what they like. However, the government of any state should not (and usually does not) openly support any party or candidate in a non-domestic election. It is a total fucking diplomatic nightmare. One we will end up paying for when/if Trump gets in because he can be bloody vindictive, especially when it comes to trade agreement.

It is totally as though the 6th form student debating society is running the country and, more importantly, its diplomatic policy.

It's not new same thing happened with Clinton it's a thing that is done all the time. They do it as volunteers they are not being paid for this trump is just being a twat. Yet donakd trump don't care about farage helping him or Liz truss helping at their conferences. I saw on YouTube this isn't new

It's not new they did it for Clinton they have done in it most elections have a research

Nope they r not they have bad volunteers in most elections hillary Clinton had them so did Obama it's a thing they stay in democratic activists houses they r not paid for this

It was foolish but who is the 'we' in the we will sort housing?

If one is 'over there' I think it could easily be interpreted as an example of the British Government interfering in internal American politics.
Reminding them about how they invade and bomb would be ignored.

Sure I take your point but I think there is an important distinction. Nigel Farage while ‘campaigning’ for Trump was not in government, not an MP, not at the time an MEP nor was his party in government. If he was your point would be spot on, but given he is actually just a random politician without any power or authority (I know he’s an MP now but not at that time) it was fine. Funnily enough now that he is I don’t see him helping Trump. I’m not fan of either but don’t think politicians should be campaigning in another country. We certainly didn’t like it when Obama got involved with Brexit.

Labour volunteers have done this for previous elections it's not new all they do is go door to door to help mqn power they are not influencing they are just knocking on doors. This isn't new at all

You said this much more politely than I would have.

It's the Labour Party who are sending people over.

The fact that Labour have a majority in the Commons and are in power is neither here nor there.

If public money from the UK were being lined up behind Harris it would be different but that's not the case.

If Trump thinks this is an issue why is it not one when Farage, or people from the Conservative Party support him?

What a bunch of juveniles this government is.

Adults in the room, my arse.

You have to be very blinkered or a half-wit not to see in advance how bad this looks.

It’s been quite clearly reported that Labour and Tory activists have been involved in pretty much every US election for years

this time i can readily believe that no Tory activists are going….i wonder why. But if they were I’d guarantee you that trump wouldn’t be complaining.

a total non story

@ohdelay, you miss a lot of points.

You realise waving your hands round going "nothing to see here" doesn't work on people who can read. Explain how this isn't election interference using your big words

Why is it ‘dumb’ for a BBC reporter to cover this, as I listened this morning it was a decent go at talking about the implications

On googling it’s across the board - Reuters, NBC and pretty much all press here, it’s only mn where people post do not cover this, oh and Labour

I think what will damage a US-UK relationship will be Trump wanting to reduce US involvement with NATO and intending to carry out a trade war with China.

This is a fairly simple attempt to brand Harris as left wing (which she's not be UK standards).

are not influencing they are just knocking on doors

What's the point of knocking on doors, if the aim isn't to influence how people vote?

I think this wouldn't have caused the uproar it's has, if it had not been for that LinkedIn post, which makes it appear organised by the Labour party and manned by Labour party staff.

Any court claim will go absolutely nowhere.

But if they have to start with taking legal action maybe they can start with Farage spending £30k plus on his last trip to support Trump.

Election interference in any way by foreign nationals is illegal in the US. I'm no fan of the man, but he is well within his rights here.

Nigel Farage used nearly £33,000 of donor cash to help support Donald Trumpp in the US election - months before he complained about Labourractivists volunteering for Kamala Harris.
After he was elected as an MP, the Reform UK leader missed the King's Speech to travel to Wisconsin in July to attend the Republican National Convention (RNC).

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-used-33000-uk-33952661

Was this election inference?

Utter naïveté from Starmer and his cohort.

Unbelievable stupidity.

There's no trade deal in the offing anyway, that was Brexiteer bollocks.
Yes a government needs to adhere to diplomatic norms, which Starmer has been clear, they will.
Equally, I think European politicians generally, should be able to point out that Trump blatantly does not respect constitutional norms. And that is a serious threat to democracy. It's their job to do that.

And BTW, brace yourselves. All the early metrics (voter registration, early voting turnout and the latest polling) point to a Trump win, so Labour, being supremely stupid, has aimed at the "king" and missed. Get ready for a US withdrawal of support for Ukraine, less funding for NATO, etc.

It is entirely legal to “participate in campaign activities as an uncompensated volunteer” according to the Federal Election Commission.

Any claim will go nowhere.

If they’re doing it in the name of Labour - yes, absolutely.

I work for a large international corporate. If I started a campaign that was “Coca Cola (not my actual
employer) for Kamala”, and chivvied colleagues to get involved, I’d absolutely expect to be sacked as I could not be using the company name in that way.

They’d be fine with me doing it in my own name, or as colleagues doing it collectively and privately, but doing it in the organisation’s name shouldn’t be allowed.