How dumb are Labour

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Just seen this and I swear they keep forgetting they won the election and are in power now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

The constant gaffes and sixth form debate club politics are very embarrassing. I was ready for change, but fucking hell.

The only thing new here is that Trump is throwing his toys over the issue.

No particular fan of Starmer nor the Labour Party right now, but seriously? You are scraping the barrel (as is Trump). British citizens are allowed to travel, and they are allowed to act in legal ways in countries that they travel to. If private citzens wish to assist with the election in America - on either side - they are permitted to do so. Are you suggesting that the government - any government - should have the power to dictate peoples thoughts and actions?

I didn't notice Trump complaining about all the help he has got from Farage.

How dumb is Trump and anyone voting for him? I voted Labour and I will say what I fucking like about Trump on here. This is a free country, unlike the US when he becomes the dictator he wants to be.

They honestly care about what Labour supporters do in their free time and not about massive, organised Russian influence in the USA? Putin is fucking rubbing his hands in glee at the prospect of a Trump win.

I feel really sorry for all the sensible moderate people in the US.

You're missing the point (shock) The Labour party are the government now "LabourforKamala" is a bad look if Trump wins when we have to go begging for a trade deal soon. The current Head of Operations for the Labour Party (remember now in government ...) organising the interference in the election of one of our closest allies is again bad. Being in government means no mouthing off, more professional and diplomacy etc.

Trump & Farage. Nuff said.

Again, neither in government at the time. FFS

This is completely normal, were you under the impression that political parties don’t do this?

Ruling party in government? They do not

Yes it's bad for potential relations if Trump gets in. But he is the one bringing it up and making it an issue.

Whoever put up the LinkedIn content re organising the trips probably regrets it

It was covered earlier and from what I can tell it comes down to money, and if stuff was paid for (not sure about flights)

It isn’t allowed if not volunteers ie no pay. Accommodation has been raised, no idea if travel is the same

He's making it an issue because it hands him another easy win. A foreign government (remember in government now, like when Russia did it) interfering and advocating for the opposition. It's fuel for him and his supporters and just more stupidity from Labour if they wanted the opposite to happen.

I genuinely hope Labour start hiring accountants, diplomats, lawyers and other professional people as the chirpy activists who did the funny tweets and glued themselves to stuff are not fit for government.

You are right OP. Labour is blatantly interfering in another country's election. I don't like Trump any more than the next sane person but there is no excuse for this.

I don't know who the idiot was who posted on LinkedIn but they clearly know nothing about international law. Labour needs to get a grip.

How dumb do you have to be to believe this is an issue worth reporting

It isn’t news that Labour and Tory activists to volunteer in US elections - they do it every time

While it's legal for volunteers from other countries to help in an election in America, I agree with the OP that it is a spectacularly stupid own goal for Labour (who are now in government) to get involved in this. It looks really bad. And it's different to Farage campaigning because he is not in power.

It's like talking to children, I'm not even annoyed just disappointed. The BBC are reporting on it and Keir Starmer has been questioned on it. Trump has raised it and will continue to do so as part of his campaign.
It is just gaffe after fucking gaffe with them and I voted for them this time. I just want a bit of professionalism. Maybe there is some training they can do to switch them off from protest mode to realising they are now the functioning government for the UK and represent the country.
I have given the transport secretary a pass for the boycott P&O stuff that came back to bite us as it was historical, but it seems like some are incapable of learning.

So do you think Labour Party members should be banned from travelling in their own time and using their own money to campaign on a trip that wasn't funded or organised by the Labour Party?

What do you think labour should do - do you think they should be kicked out of the party?

You'd have to want to filter a lot to not want legal action reported.

I guess they'll look into who paid for what, it has to be volunteer not paid, and since a staffer was involved someone did organise it

It's another situation where Labour failed to appreciate the optics of a situation. Which is a common theme so far. While the post on LinkedIn makes it look organised and approved by the Labour Party - the UK government (it refers to Labour party staff, not activists, not supporters).

If trump wins its going to make the US/UK relationship tricky for a while.

or organised by the Labour Party

It was organised by a Labour staffer who made it public via LinkedIn

Trump/Musk have it in for Starmer and former have far more media control. Starmer & Co need better tactics.

What boils my piss though is that as someone with legal training I see these things coming miles off and so I do wonder how competent Starmer is. So many of the faux pas a smart lawyer would have foreseen? Why is he so out of his depth, he is too slow.

In any event, Musk who plays on Trumps team tried to interfere last summer and undermine our PM. So they deserve it back

@EasternStandard it was organised by someone who works for the Labour Party yes. That doesn't mean it was organised by the Labour Party - people organise things not in their official capacity. If I helped organise some fundraising for a local charity that wouldn't mean my employer had any involvement or endorsed it, let alone funded or organised it.

The post was foolish, because it made it look official.

I don’t recall Trump taking offence at Liz Truss speaking at the Republican Party conference.

Or at Nigel Farage MP being funded (by a company close to Trump) to campaign for him in the US.

Funny how it’s Labour getting the flack isn’t it.

We don’t need to go begging for a trade deal. We aren’t going to get one whoever wins. If we were we’d have it by now.

This hasn't been organised by the Labour Party.

I'm a Labour voter. My PiL live in PA, which is a swing state. If I went over to visit them I could get involved in a local campaign - door knocking etc. That's allowed and has nothing to do with the Labout Party.