Boris for PM

[Dodie66]

Reports on sky news say that Boris might stand again for PM. How do you feel about that?
i actually liked Boris but he made a lot of mistakes

You don’t know the Labour Party around here. Full of nasty ambitious little power mad people. Even on the parish council. Awful!

The key point here is past tense, even a day is a long time in politics, things change and change fast. You could also say nearly half the voters turned up and voted for him three years ago; The fact is that it really does seem he is the one with the most support right now . They are all divisive.

the ifs and buts of the standards committee isn’t really something anyone is focusing on seriously right now.

the key fact I think we need to bear in mind is if Boris gets through to final two and it goes to the membership, the membership will vote for him, he will be prime minister a week today and that’s a very real possibility, that it will be him and Rishi who gets through.

Boris and his cronies backed Truss in their knowledge she wasn’t suitable for the job, they knew they would be not back her at the first problem and force her to resign at sometime in the near future for him to take her place.
Even when Boris left he did say, “I’ll be back”.

Yes I agree it’s fast changing, if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be seeing these numbers

Johnson 52
Sunak 41
Mordaunt 17

Maybe it will change but it’s likely he’ll be in last two and then to membership. Not sure about committee it did cross my mind, but who knows

This is so AWFUL. A disaster that keeps on giving.

Some MPs seem literally obsessed with BJ. They don't seem to act as if they think he'll be the best person for the job or he's really good. It's more like blind love for him. It's weird!

They're all over the media today pouring out their love for him.

They need someone boring and ultra sensible in charge. Like Teresa May. Not a clown. Again.

I agree if he gets through, he will win, he is white after all and the elderly m/c tory members from the SE are a racist bunch.

But thats not the point, the Tories are divided & whilst you might dismiss the Standards committee, its not irrelevant.

Plus the polling i am referring to is recent, just a few months ago.

Personally, i hope they do get Johnson again, he will ensure the Tories have their worst ever defeat at the next GE, he is going to have to enact Austerity mk2 and that will not prove popular.

Aside - it is funny that we get "nearly half the voters turned up and voted for HIM" but equally, when it suits the argument, we get "UK doesn't vote for a PM, but an MP and party"

I think this is true, it was said at the time they’d supported her as they knew she was bad so he could get to come back, I think the issue they face is no one realised just how bad she was or how quickly she’d fuck it up, it really is unprecedented, she was spectacularly out of her depth.

her lack of knowledge of basic economics, her lack of ability to take advice, her poor communication skills, just all were way worse than any one realised. Apparently for much of the terminal mini budget her and kwasi sat in a room just the two of them and decided, I can believe that and if it is indeed the case that’s shameful behaviour.

the point we need to remember though Is if boris had enough support to be able to do that, to get her in, then he’s enough support to get himself back in.

I think assuming that the MP’s that wanted Boris out in the summer still want Boris out now is naive. They do what suits them best as individuals at any given time. In the summer the wind was blowing in the Boris out direction and now it is blowing in the Boris back direction.
I bet very few of them actually cared about cake gate or party gate

*he didn't do much wrong.

I didn't vote for Brexit, but the electorate did and he got it over the line.*

His talent was distraction, good at winning the popular Tory vote but none of the grip which is required to actually govern.

Anyone who thinks that lying to the then Queen and advising proroguing parliament is not much wrong probably doesn't have much grip themselves.

Likewise lying to parliament, threatening to unilaterally repudiate a recently signed international agreement as well as breaking the lockdown rules imposed on the rest of the population is not my idea of not much wrong.

@Dodie66 do you honestly not care that the UK has Got Brexit Done but not imposed the import controls on products arriving from the EU as they are obliged to do. As for the border in Ireland

Yep. They want someone who at least has a hope of winning the next election, and in many of their minds that is Johnson. But it is like electing a powder keg for leader and hopefully it will blow up in their faces.

I can't understand why the hype that Boris got this great majority is spun by the media constantly.
If people can remember that far back Theresa May was stumped as regards Brexit - we'd sat at a dead stop for 2 years (or was it longer) - jeremy corbyn was the opposition so everyone voted tory in the hope that something might actually happen - I don't think they had great admiration for boris, perhaps they assumed as he'd been mayor of london that he would come up with some ideas but all in all there was no one else - all the brexiteers having taken a large step back.

They want to unilaterally remove a part of an international agreement they freely entered into ... and you think that is a reason to vote for them?

Really?

Do you wonder why they agreed to the NI Protocol in the first place?

Do you remember May saying no UK PM could in good conscience sign something like that?

Do you think Johnson signed it because he didn't understand it or because he thought he would not be held to it and that he could wriggle out of it?

Do you support politicians who think they can sign agreements they have no intention of keeping?

Do you really want someone like that back ?

If so, you may be part of the problem.

• I don’t like it from the point of view that there are additional checks on goods coming from GB into NI which incurs a lot of costs and causes delays.

It also undermines NI’s place within the UK. It is part of the UK and shouldn’t be treated as though it is isn’t. *

@asblindasabat

You do remember that it was Johnson's government who signed the agreement which introduced the NI protocol that you are so against, don't you.

Why do you still support Johnson when you are not in favour of one of the few things he actually did do ?

Actually what boris is talented as, and he was also as London mayor , is understanding what’s required and finding the right person to do it. He doesn’t do it himself. But he’s adept at finding who can and managing that.

he is also very talented in his communications. People like him , there is no doubt. He is also not the person to be faced over the dispatch box.

where he lets himself down is his personal morals , the women, lying to the queen etc he rides rough shod to do what he wants.

the reason large parts of rhe public want him back is the reason they wanted him during brexit, they want the person who they think has the best chance of getting it done.

Rishi has many issues, not least he is literally a tax dodging billionaire, using loopholes to make himself wealthier. people will rather the partying womaniser that the tax dodging billionaire when they are struggling to pay their bills. And Rishi lacks gravitas. He made many mistakes as chancellor, inc eat out to help out, which led us to another lock down much faster, so his ability to get the job done really is in question. Him and his wife’s finances are a very big issue.

I don’t like it from the point of view that there are additional checks on goods coming from GB into NI which incurs a lot of costs and causes delays
It also undermines NI’s place within the UK. It is part of the UK and shouldn’t be treated as though it is isn’t

Hard borders between different customs regimes is pretty standard and the UK can always have a hard border between NI and ROI, if it wishes to remove the border between NI and GB.

NI is actually the one part of the UK that is booming as it has free and unfettered access to the EU.

I dunno. I’ve generally preferred my Prime Ministers to not be criminal, openly and arrogantly dishonest philanderers.

but that’s just me, I guess.

the reason large parts of rhe public want him back is the reason they wanted him during brexit, they want the person who they think has the best chance of getting it done

Where is the evidence for that? polling out today, shows completely the opposite.

Not even a majority of Tory MPs want him back.

Or rather fine them for not showing up. Also get rid of the bar in the House of Commons and stop subsidising people on decent wages with they huge expenses claims. That would save a bit of money for starters.

You just need to look across all media streams, from the daily mail to twitter. There is a huge amount of support, i am not sure what polls you refer to, but denying there is a lot of public support isn’t valid , there simply is.

• Actually what boris is talented as, and he was also as London mayor , is understanding what’s required and finding the right person to do it. He doesn’t do it himself. But he’s adept at finding who can and managing that.

he is also very talented in his communications. *

@Anniefrenchfry

I agree he is good in communicating with a large swath of politically not very engaged voters, who love his bumbling clown im the man to get it sorted shtick

And distracting that same crowd from what he had actually done.

For example,

why did he commission water cannon which contravened our own laws and had to be sold for scrap at a £300k loss.

Why did he waste so much time on an non-feasible airport in the Thames Estuary. I know the answer to this one, he mentioned it anytime there were rumblings about the new runway at London Heathrow which his constituents in Uxbridge didn't want but which would bring in good revenue to west London.

He was absent for the last vote on it.

What did we get for the £37M spent on the new Thames bridge project?

Johnson's talent is for distraction, which can be mistaken for good communication.

In my book, it doesn't count as communications unless people are learning the truth. Distraction is when you appear to be communicating but don't make people face uncomfortable truths.

The rest of the world think we have lost the plot, Boris, excess covid deaths, Brexit, Liz if we have Boris back we will need be taken seriously ever again.
Although I am interested to hear what King Charles would greet him with.

I'm not denying it all, i'm just asking for you to back up your assertion.

The poll out today puts Lab 39pts ahead of the Cons who are on 14%, just 3pts in front of the LD's.

Daily Mail and Twitter is not evidence btw i don't there are many people who do want him back but you said "large parts of the public"

Public borrowing for Sept is 20 billion, target was 14 billion, 7.7 billion was interest rate repayments, retail sales down almost 2% corresponding drop in tax revenues.
Watch gilt yields now raise.

We are arguing about about what tune the orchestra should play on the Titanic, we are going to need large tax increases and austerity, mainly thanks to the Tories.

The message from the electorate is the opposite. They faced absolute wipeout with Truss, not much improvement with the other two. Johnson is their greatest electoral asset. He's despised by metropolitans, but ordinary voters still have an affection for him, and he may even have gained in sympathy after the way he was forced out and the utter shitshow that ensued.

Boris Johnson is a revolting sociopath. I can’t believe that anyone here thinks he’s good for the U.K.. Look how bad day to day living has got. All the tiny things which made life pleasant have been removed under the Tory scum. I’ll be just sitting waiting for a GE so I can vote Labour. Women’s rights like maternity rights plus their general take home pay have all been massively depleted under the Tories - they are no friends of women no matter what they claim.

It’s hard to gauge. Very unpredictable but I think he’s got more of a chance than Sunak or Mordaunt to win, although it’s not a given. It could go either way, but the other two don’t have the same draw to do it.

Truss would have tanked I agree.