Boris for PM

[Dodie66]

Reports on sky news say that Boris might stand again for PM. How do you feel about that?
i actually liked Boris but he made a lot of mistakes

Our politics is now starting to resemble that of the united states. The difference is the house of lords where peers are chosen by the out going prime minister and no vote can remove them.

Boris Johnson's choice is hideous to be honest and demonstrates he has no integrity or respect for democracy.

The house of lords is meant for those people who have expertise, have achieved great things for all and taken the country forward. It's not meant to be for pals and those that have given you money.

The thing is awful and I hope the next labour government burns it all down and gives us an elected house.

I don't trust starmer either, looks to be worse than the worst blair was. He could chose to back corbyn's policies that were so popular and made much more sense financially but won't because of trying to woo tory voters. As to nuclear, by the time we could find a competent builder of a new power station, it would be just as quick to invest in renewables.

This is simply the wrong way to view things. Not investing in the green transition will cost more, both to families and the economy as a whole.

We have a chance to create high skill jobs, not taking it would be foolish.

Generating tax revenue from economic growth is better for the country than sitting and waiting for things to get worse.

Blair was a very good leader, look at the achievements of his government compared to the last 15 years.

We do need to invest in green technologies because it's good business sense. This is particularly the case for the UK with dwindling oil reserves. It makes sense for tax, jobs and investment.

Brexit has been an utter disaster and younger people hate it so the reality is Britain will have to consider rejoining in the next few years. Boris only backed it because it gave him away into the PMs job....he never believed in the arguments for or against....he just backed a winning horse.

Britain is in a very bad place right now both economically and more importantly socially. But things can be turned around it just needs some sensible policies and people to actually work together rather than divided.

Younger people were utterly shafted by those (lots now dead) that voted to leave. When the UK rejoins - if the EU wants that, it will be under far less agreeable terms than we had. I can't see us retaining the pound for one thing. We must not allow ourselves to be taken out of the ECHR now though which is what the tories are angling for now they've been told that the Rwanda 'plan' is illegal.

A THIRD of 18-25 y.o. did not vote in the Brexit referendum, so that doesn't wash. They have only themselves to blame for the result. Many people who crow the loudest about Brexit and throw out all the nasty insults at those who voted LEAVE, didn't even vote! 😆

Also, 'lots of people who voted for Brexit are now dead?!' LMFAO!!!!! 😂

Two thirds of 18-25 year olds who were registered did vote.

90% of over 65s who were registered voted.

The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65 and over. It is thought that more than 70% of young voters chose to remain in the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high

There is a reason the government wouldn't let 16-18 year olds vote. Friends children were so angry about that, especially the ones just under 18. They felt they were sold down the river.

Is 90% of over 65 more than 65% of 25-39 + 66% of 40-54.
Surely lot of youngers must have voted leave. To end up with a near 50% split.

I can remember being 16 - I got a grant for college which the gov paid - not realising ‘the gov’ was actually tax payers money. I also wanted independence for Scotland (probably a good idea then) however I am older and wiser and have experienced bad government and can see why this is possibly not such a good idea. Thinking with my life experience not my heart.
We would have trans women in women’s sport and unlimited immigration (regardless of religion and culture) if some of the 16 year olds I know voted.

Surely lot of youngers must have voted leave. To end up with a near 50% split.

Not really, there just aren't anywhere near as many people in the eg 18-30 age bracket as there are over 60s.

This is true but should the wishes of a small minority hold precedence. But I wasn't meaning the very youngest. There must be a spread of opinion in older than 30s.

Apart from the reality that most of those under 25 wanted to stay in the EU and have the opportunity to travel and work freely in Europe.

Instead we have a situation where professionals are clammering for visas to get off the sinking ship. Australia are now actively seeking professional Brits and they've increased age limit for working visas

I'm afraid Brexit has been an utter disaster and just remember that those young people might well remember the treacherous Brexiteers who sold out their freedom. So don't expect much sympathy if there's an attack on your pension or wealth.

Broadly speaking, people appear to have been more likely to vote Leave the older they were. With the caveat that there doesn't seem to be data breaking down votes within the pensioner cohort- I know there was some suggestion that the very elderly were less Leave because of the wartime experience but not seen anything about them specifically.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2016-eu-referendum

The voting age should be 16, if they are older enough to work then they are older enough to vote.

When we had people like Farage and Boris lying to the public and the daily mail publishing hateful anti European tabloids....it's no surprise that many people voted to leave.

I'm afraid many who voted leave probably think a lot differently now having seen their standard of living plunge thanks to poorly thought out Brexit agreements.

There were many problems with our relationship with Europe but being a member gave us so much freedom, much of which has now been lost although staunched Brexiteers argue it's about sovereignty....but where's the point of that if we become a low wage dictatorship surrounded by sewage.

The voting age should be 16, if they are older enough to work then they are older enough to vote.

I thought most kids stayed on til 18 at school these days?
Also it's not just work, it's paying tax - if you pay no tax and receive from the Gov all is fine, if you work and pay tax your view changes.

if we become a low wage dictatorship surrounded by sewage.

Excellent summing up

We haven't even got the really low quality food through yet, either. The 'deals' they made won't benefit us and they are still seeking to remove our rights thinking that most people won't notice as deregulation sounds like a good thing.

And now Badenoch has signed us up to the appalling TTIP or canadian version of it that many of us protested against when we thankfully still had the safety blanket of the EU protecting our collective interests. Watch farmers being sold down the river and even less food security than the minimal amount we already have. This government clearly hates the country and its people or it would be backing British produce and industry instead of selling it all off/doing dodgy deals to pretend that the backbench appeasing brexit vote was a good thing and not the shitshow it obviously is.

Brexit is a catastrophe all round and the opportunist BoJo must bear much of the responsibility. His only significant achievement was to become PM and we are now suffering from 'long Boris' according to Steve Brine the Tory MP. We must rejoin the EU but it will be a long and difficult path accompanied by shrill cries from the Brexiteer loonies in the Commons.

As Tony Blair has said Britain is now too weak to join. That says it all doesn't it.....we are now so poor that we would fail membership criteria.

We are less likely to be overrun with immigrants now we have left eu. I know it’s a disaster at the mom ent but we probably have decades of immigration to come.

Sounds great. Utopia incoming

I suppose you failed to realise that the planet heating up is going to make many, many ecologic migrants. Also we need the workforce from abroad. We were never part of shengen when we were in the EU. When eventually we rejoin, we will have to be a part of it.

There will be millions of ecologic migrants. Millions. Hundred of Millions.
The Netherlands Gov has collapsed as they couldn't agree immigration Laws.
You've seen the riots in Paris - they had 45,000 police in Paris to deal with that. If you think millions of immigrants can move to a country and we'll all have lots of carers with no downsides the evidence so far (eg anger and demands not to have a barge of immigrants off Dorset) is not good.

I have seen some idiotic posts on MN but anyone thinking our political isolation will help prevent mass ecologically-driven immigration is in a whole new category beyond idiotic.

If anything, Europe will lock down external borders and provide boats to incoming refugees just to get rid of them.